Tattoos and the “Mark of the Beast”

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  1. Jacob says:

    One of the greatest signs of paganism I see today is worship of the environment. “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more the Creator…” (Rom. 1:25) KJV

  2. Gail webster says:

    BOY WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY, CHRISTIAN”S BACK THEN DID WHAT PLEASE FATHER GOD, NOW NEARLY EVERY CHRISTIAN PLEASES HIM AND HER SAFE, AND ANY THING GOES IN THE CHURCH TODAY. WE DO NOT TAKE GOD”S WARNING AT THIS WORD, AND THE BIBLE AS A WARNING, AND WE WONDER WAY OUR LIVES ARE SO MESSED UP. WE ARE THE ONES THAT MARK OUR OWN MISTAKE. ITS TIME TO TAKE A GOOD LONG LOOK AT OUR SELVES. AND GET BACK TO OUR FIRST LOVE, AND THE CROSS,

  3. Gail webster says:

    OOPS WONDER WHY OUR LIVES ARE SO MESS UP.

  4. Brian says:

    This is a great posting. Erwin Lutzer, pastor of Moody Church in Chicago, wrote a book a few years back about the mass media’s efforts to prepare/indoctrinate people into paganism. According to Lutzer, one of the most influential members of the media actively involved in this is Oprah Winfrey. So what you wrote here, about paganism being the world religion during the time of the antichrist’s reign, certainly agrees with what other Christian authors and pastors are saying.

  5. W.f.h. says:

    Check out the new tattoo system that has been developed for livestock. It works as a tracking device as well. Just google the word “so-Marc.”

  6. Jay says:

    Hey John, Here’s an excellent assessment of gun control that you might like to share with readers: http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

    God bless.

  7. Janine says:

    In Proverbs 25:2 it says “It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.” (KJV)

  8. Marvin Glatt says:

    Interesting post, since we have just come through a Christmas season that had as little reference to the reason for the season as I have ever seen. Two days after Christmas I feel like something is missing, whatever happened to that Christian holiday that America used to celebrate. The war against Christians and Christianity is everywhere. Paganism around the corner?

  9. sage_brush says:

    Outstanding article. There is every reason to recognize the connection between tattooing and the imminent mark of the beast. You exposed it nicely, John. This, in addition to the aggressive push for transhumanism makes the Book of Revelation more than plausible – every Word is True and perfect, Thank you Jesus!!!!

  10. Janine says:

    Bless you John. Satan is such a counterfeiter of Gods ways! The mark is placed in the right hand and the forehead. Obviously as the scripture states, the beast wants external signs of loyalty and devotion to his ways.
    In Israel, this is the exact place where the faithful Israelite was supposed to place the external reminders about following God and remembering His ways. God wanted them to be internal (in the heart) and he wanted external signs (on the hand and the forehead).
    You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. These words which I am commanding you today shall be on your heart. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be between your eyes on your forehead. (Deuteronomy 6: 5, 6, 8)

    “The mark of the beast cannot be anything (be it in the form of a tattoo or whatever) if it is not accepted as a token of false worship. The enforcement of the mark could use our modern technologies to guarantee money, services or credit. We should look for legislation that enforces religious worship with a penalty and distributes favor on condition of accepting this worship. When we trade obedience for economics that transaction is the mark of the beast, whatever symbol is used to signify acceptance of that agreement”
    Be blessed as you seek Him with all your heart!

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Wow, what a fantastic connection between Deut 6 and Revelation 13!!!
      This was as great revelation and explains why satan wants the right hand and forehead!
      God bless you.

      • Janine says:

        And theres more. lol. Still seeking Him! Is the Mark of the beast literal or spiritual or BOTH? Satan is a counterfeiter! Found this…Interesting science!
        With regards to Deut 6
        “Why would God say to “tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads”? When these words were given, man certainly did not understand the reason. The Orthodox Jews – hundreds, if not thousands of years ago – took this verse literally and came up with actual, physical ways to comply with this command. They wrote down the words of God on pieces of parchment, inserted them in little boxes (called Tefillin) attached to bands, and literally tied them to their hands and foreheads.
        Interestingly, the prefrontal cortex of the brain is where we make decisions to take action on a thought. The prefrontal cortex handles our behavior!
        Now consider this: Thousands of years before man developed the modern sciences and determined what parts of the brain are responsible for the various human behaviors and activities, God told man to keep His words “on your forehead”.
        Touch your forehead. Just a fraction of an inch beyond your fingertips is the PREFRONTAL CORTEX. God told us to keep His word there. Keeping His word there keeps us from processing worldly desires and events (i.e., evil) and acting on it. If we keep God’s word in our prefrontal cortex, we are less likely to commit sin. And there you have the reason for Deuteronomy 6:6-8! Talking about God’s word keeps His instructions on our foreheads, on our prefrontal cortex, and thus, keeps us from sin. As you can deduce from the above, it’s all about DOING so that we can better REMEMBER! “Tie them as symbols on your hands,” does not mean we are literally attach anything to, or write down YHWH’s word on our hands!
        Consider this: We decide what to do with our brains. God asked us to keep his word in our prefrontal cortex so we would not sin. When we sin, how do we typically commit those sins? With our hands! In the majority of cases, we commit our sins with our hands. Keeping God’s word “on our hands” would mean that we proceed through life not allowing our hands to commit a sin. What marvelous words in Deuteronomy 6:6-8! His words are so true and so powerful!”

        • Janine says:

          Interestingly, physically the prefrontal cortex (forehead) is the most effective spot on the head for mind control it seams!
          “Headpiece Reveals Brainwaves in Real Time 10/23/12 Every part of the thinking process is being identified and monitored. The end game of this is mind control by the 666 Surveillance System” John McT

        • keith says:

          John, Janine, and everyone else;
          The KJV renders the verse with the preposition of “in” while other versions render it “on”.
          A simple vowel of an “i” or an “o” could be significant-just like every jot and tittle are. I wonder what the original language preposition is? I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking. This isn’t some “gotcha” question.

    • Ps91 says:

      Janine,
      Thank you for those verses from Deuteronomy! That makes the tattoo system more realistic as Satan does want to copy and counterfit God’s laws and ways. Although the rfid chip would be less inconspicuous.
      Thank you John for your excellent commentary.

  11. Janine says:

    You might be interested in this too John!
    Why Ex-Feds and Wall Street Execs Are Going Into Hiding | Dave Hodges – The Common Sense Show
    http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/27/why-ex-feds-and-wall-street-execs-are-going-into-hiding/

  12. JH says:

    John,
    I cant wait until you change this page. I am going
    to close my eyes till I get to the “comments” part.

    As I look around in all directions now, everywhere
    I look, people are being more blatant about any
    thing and everything. Its as if anything and everything is coming out of the closets.

    I am appalled at this because one would think
    that with all the disasters that are taking place
    that these things would be warning people everywhere to wonder.

    I have a hard time believing that some are
    going through life as if nothing much is going
    to happen. (As in the days of Noah)

    ps. that picture up above is terrible.

  13. Ryan Thomas says:

    Gail,I see what you mean,I believe that the more honest we are about ourselves to God, the more he reveals himself to us.God bless you!

  14. Steve Amberson says:

    Where “the mark” is placed is further referenced by the word “in”, not “on” or “upon.” However the way technology is racing ahead, it is easier to understand how people can be scammed and scanned. Read the Bible. What is prophesied is coming true!
    Steve

  15. John, you quote the Law of “Moses”(which really is God’s Law):
    Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
    But yet you claim we aren’t under the Law of Moses? Reconcile that, please. Based on your man made doctrine of the Law being done away with, there should be a church full of people with tatooed faces, right?
    This isn’t like shopping for your favorite items-YOU don’t get to pick and choose. The LORD has clearly established HIS guidelines(torah) for us to willingly follow and His Son followed and taught it for at least two reasons: (1) to be our perfect sinless sacrifice and (2) to be our example.

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Keith,
      The law has really smitten you as everything with you is filtered through it.
      If you carefully, without the filter of the law, read my article I said nothing about Leviticus 19:28 applying to today.
      I was going into history to show the tattoos and paganism go hand-in-hand.
      I said nothing in the article about not getting a tattoo although I am fully against them.
      This was not the focus of the article.

      We are created in God’s image and likeness which our bodies reflect; therefore, we are not to defile the body in any manner.
      The verses that I would use to encourage someone not to get a tattoo would be:

      1 Cor 3:16,17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

      1 Cor 6:19,20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

      I might use Leviticus 19:28 to reinforce these verses.

      Keith, for your own sake, ask God to free you from this religious stronghold in your mind.

      • John, What religious stronghold? I choose to obey God’s commandments because of my salvation-not for my salvation. I want to be clear on that.
        I know that God doesn’t want us to cut or mark up our bodies like the pagans. If the guy in picture comes to Christ, then praise God! But based on the commandments, he should not get any more tatoo’s. Our sins are washed away-but we’re not go back wallowing in the mire or returning to our vomit.

        • JohnMcTernan says:

          You talk about the law of Moses like I talk about my life in Christ, and
          that is the vast difference between us that you seem unable to grasp.

          • John, My life in Christ involves obeying the Law of Moses because of my love for the Savior. I don’t see why it makes me a bad guy because I stopped eating pork or shrimp or observe the Sabbath. I don’t do any of these things for salvation, I do them because of my salvation. Why am I demonized for wanting to obey God’s Law?

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Because you are giving off the air of self-righteousness.
            You talk about the law of Moses ALL the time and NOT Christ.
            You talk about the errors of others and now you are following the road that Galatians tells you not to.

            This is the law to follow and the law that I talk about:

            1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
            1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
            1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
            .

          • keith says:

            You perceive that I give off “an air of self righteousness”. I don’t see it that way at all. Christ is the Word made flesh. His Word is Truth. Psalm 119 from beginning to end is a beautiful description of the Word. From the Aleph to the Tav. The Alpha and Omega.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Because you talk about the law all the time and not your grace and power in Jesus Christ.
            How many times do I have to say this?
            It is time to move on from the law.

          • keith says:

            As far as what Galatians tell me to do or not to do depends on interpretation. I’m not sure what it is I’m doing specifically that Paul is instructing me thru his letter to the Galatians not to do?
            Why did Paul say this to the Philipians?
            Phl 2:12 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
            Why add “fear and trembling”? Why did he even say to “work it out” in the first place? These are questions that come to my mind when I consider the whole counsel of God.

            And we are all cautioned by Peter regarding Paul’s writings:
            2Pe 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
            2Pe 3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
            2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
            Based on Peter’s warning, I will read Paul’s writings very carefully. And it is no coincidence that the entire book of 2 Peter is about false teachers and false doctrine.
            And like I said earlier, the “church” has lied to me in different things and I feel that I am no longer obligated to swallow everything that is spoon fed to me. I will test everything and hold fast to that which is true. This means that I will go back and re-examine the things that I had assumed were taught to me correctly and verify whether those things were true or false. This all takes time. I’m still learning, and by no means have it all figured out. Positions I once held as true have since been revealed to be false. I will continue to seek Truth as I know we all do.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Again, stay in Galatians as the message is very simple.
            You need to be grounded in the New Covenant.

          • Janine says:

            (I try to ask myself why I do what I do in following God, making sure it comes from His righteousness and a ‘want’ to perspective not a ‘have’ to perspective, empowered by His grace) I’ve learn’t that His Entire word is full of wisdom and instructions to bless me (even in my health) through Christ! I’ve studied and learnt that It is not wise to eat pork and shrimp because they are scavengers and it is scientifically proven that they are full of parasites and can lead to disease! (I have cookbooks from health professionals, who are not ‘religious’ who refuse to eat pork). I have been extremely ill by these and I have to wonder along with others if pork, shrimp etc contribute to so much disease nowadays and did you know the number 1 meat eaten in the world is PORK! God is a genius! He knows oir bodies… He made them! Praise Him for His grace that empowers me not to eat shrimp/prawns anymore because I love them! It seems things like pork and shrimp are not even classified as food. Sort of like me saying to my child, ‘you can eat ANYTHING in the fridge’ – and of course they won’t eat the shelf because its not ‘food’! lol
            2 Tim 16 ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for INSTRUCTIONS in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

          • Were not the Galatians being mocked by the gnostics? The gnostics were having them go back to their old pagan ways. They didn’t like the Lord’s feasts. But as far as eating pork(or rat meat, or anything considered unclean for food) Isaiah 66 makes me more than just a little nervous. I’m just seeking Truth as we all are, I’m sure. In the mean time, I will suspend eating certain things until I can investigate this completely. I’d rather be safe than sorry.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            The book of Galatians was written to people who were traveling the road that you are now on.
            It has nothing to do with the gnostics.

    • Janine says:

      How about this John? (Christian commentary)
      The “Law of Moses” is a beautiful thing—when men regard it rightly. This is why the Psalmist can say, “O how I love Thy law” (Psalm 119:97). The “Law of Moses was not meant to save men, but to show them their need to be saved, and thus to lead them to Christ (Galatians 3:24). The Jews of Jesus’ day twisted the law, so much so that they considered themselves to be righteous, and yet they condemned Jesus as a law-breaker (especially in regard to the Sabbath—see John 5:16ff.; 19:7). This may help to explain why Jesus called the law “your law” in John 8:17, even as they called it their law (John 7:51; 19:7).
      There is a great difference between accepting the Law of Moses as God’s standard of righteousness, and making that same law the means to self- righteousness or earning your own salvation, by the work of law-keeping. In Romans chapter 3, Paul made it clear that no one could be saved by law-keeping. So it is that when Paul refers to the “law” in Romans 7, he is referring to the “Law of Moses” or to the commands of God more generally in the Old Testament. Paul loved the “Law of Moses” when it was looked upon as “the law of God” and not as that set of laws that were twisted by the Jews into something they were never meant to be.
      In my opinion there is not a great difference between the “Law of Moses” and the “law of God” as mentioned in Romans 7. The difference is in how men looked upon that law. When they saw it is something one must keep in order to earn salvation (Jesus would call this “your law”), they were wrong. When they saw it as a standard of righteousness (Paul would call it, “the law of God”) which Jesus kept as the Son of God, and which the Holy Spirit strengthens us to keep (although imperfectly, see Romans 8:4) then they viewed it rightly.

  16. Does not the guy with all the tatoo’s on his face indeed make sin to be “exceedingly sinful”? But based on what you teach, this guy could be a pastor of a church-because we aren’t under the bondage of the Law. Or maybe it because we aren’t under the bondage of the Law of Sin and Death? The Law is good, and God established it(Jesus did, too) for our own good. You, however, promote lawlessness when you say that we are no longer under it. The ONLY Law we are no longer under is the Law of Sin and Death. Jesus and Paul both taught that.

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Keith were you circumcised at birth or after believing in Jesus?

    • Janine says:

      May people be empowered by His word & grace to never take the mark of the beast. I just love the poetry of the KJV. I just noticed in Sid Roths One New Man Bible that the word Law in Psalm 119 is changed to ‘torah (teaching)’. So is God’s law of sin and death different from His teaching law? So David would not be talking about the law of sin and death but how he loves God and people by following in Gods teachings? (The grace and righteousness of Jesus flowing in and through Him)
      Psalms 119
      33 Teach me, O Lord, the way of thy statutes;and I shall keep it unto the end. 34 Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy Torah (teachings). Yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart. 35 Make me to go in the path of thy commandments; for therein do I delight. Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage.
      55 I have remembered thy name, O Lord, in the night, and have kept thy teachings. 56 This I had, because I kept thy precepts. Oh I Praise Jesus for His righteousness & grace that empowers for life. All glory to Him! No longer I that live but Christ that lives in me.

    • Janine says:

      Kieth;
      DR HOWARD MORGAN – SID ROTHS WEBSITE: There are many important reasons why Christians should learn about the Jewish Roots of the Christian faith. But before we discuss them, let me address one common concern that many pastors rightfully have about this subject. When we talk about “Jewish Roots,” we are NOT teaching that Christians should come under the law of Moses, because “we are not under the law, but under grace” (Romans 6:14), or that Christians should appropriate modern Jewish worship traditions, such as wearing a prayer shawl (Tallit), or head covering (Kippah), or putting on phylacteries (Tiffillim).
      …We ARE teaching the restoration of the authentic Biblical “faith once delivered to the saints” (Jude 3). This faith is the “Faith of Abraham,” (Romans 4:16) perfected and made available to the whole world by the birth, ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus, the Jewish Messiah. Christian faith, as practiced in far too many places today, does not reflect Biblical Jewish heritage. In many, if not most places, “Christianity” reflects the influences of non-Biblical belief systems, various human “religious” traditions, and worldly cultures. All around the world, the Holy Spirit is moving upon believers to explore their historic Biblical Jewish Roots to determine how God would have the Body of Christ reclaim this inheritance.
      We gain vital spiritual lessons as we study the Old Testament. We learn about the attributes of God, his nature and his ways with men. These studies will mature our walk with God. We will not be deceived into following a God that is constructed after our own imaginations or human traditions. Rather we learn how to relate to the God of Israel, as we study how He has dealt redemptively with real people, our spiritual ancestors by faith. We gain insight into the plans and purposes of God, as we study his dealings with the Jewish people and their responses to his laws, prophets and judgments.

  17. John: I can no longer go without a comment on something going on in this comment section. Perhaps you see this as from God as an opportunity to teach. And believe me, your teaching has been superb! You have brought out many ideas that my limited thinking has never considered; and I so much appreciate that you have opened my mind and brought to my attention the spiritual battles that I did not know even existed.

    I have been well aware of replacement theology, dominionism, etc. for quite some years. However, I was not aware of the extent of Hebrew Roots until most recently. In reading all the comments between you and others, I was at first very disturbed–but just this morning something came to me as I was once more praying through the situation that has been “playing out” in these comments. It is this:

    All through Jesus’ ministry here on earth, He was constantly watched and criticized by the Pharisees. They were constantly tempting Him with questions which they were sure would trip Him up. They criticized His teachings, His healing (especially when it was done on the Sabbath), accused Him many times of breaking “the Law”; and anything else that would put Him in a bad light. Here are just a few scriptures as examples: Matt. 19:3; Matt. 22:15; and a long response from Jesus against the Pharisees in Mat. 23:1-33. Plus many verses in Mark, Luke and John show how hard the Pharisees worked to disprove Jesus’ teaching and ministry.

    I have got to say now that we indeed have some Pharisees commenting here.
    May God continue to lead, guide and protect you and this ministry that He most decidedly has led you into.

    Matthew 5:11-12 (KJV)
    11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
    12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

    Maranatha!

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Barbara,
      I engaged the Hebrew Roots to basically teach everyone who follows the Comment Section, and I am surprised how many follow it.
      I want everyone involved to see how self-righteous and not Christ-righteous this movement is.
      The deeper they go into it, the more self-righteous they become and the further from God’s grace, but the more spiritual they think they are!!!
      I hope that many who followed my interaction are now protected from it.
      It is just wonderful to live every day with Jesus as my Sabbath rest.

      I know that it now has degenerated into a “gotcha” question.
      Notice when people go down this road, how everything is filtered through the law of Moses and not through God’s grace in Christ.

      God bless you.

    • Barbara in Va, Maam, all due respect to you and your walk, one year ago I would have said the exact same thing that you just did. If I am wrong, then may God forgive me. My prayer is that He steers me down the straight and narrow. The Pharisees were the religious leaders of the day and were not holding to the Law but to their own man-made doctrines. Unfortunately, there are MANY man-made doctrines in the church of today. Some of these have been in place for over a 1,000 years. People cling to those doctrines and reject the Word of God. I have been awakened to this fact. From here on out, I will test everything-no matter how many degrees in theology or how many years as a pastor someone has under their belt. I refuse to be intimidated or “put in my place” by a Nicolatian hierarchy. The “church” has lied to me and others over the years. I will still hold to that which is good, provable, and biblical-but the man-made stuff is going into the ash heap. I do not condemn you for your views, though-I was there myself not too long ago.

      • JohnMcTernan says:

        You are now following a man-made doctrine and not the Bible.
        What more can I say more to you?
        You are going down the road that Galatians tells you not to.
        You condemn others for false doctrine and then following the same road.

      • Keith: I have been walking with the Lord and following the Holy Spirit for 70 plus years. Because I declared my love for Jesus at a very early age, God has been faithful to lead me into the ways He would have me go and lead me away from ways that are not pleasing to Him, being faithful to forgive when I stepped off that narrow path (after I repented). I disagree with many things in the very denomination in which I grew up and sad to say am no longer part of any “church” because of some of the reasons you give, but I am extremely thankful for the people who loved me and worked with me as a child and showed me God’s love. Even though I am no longer involved with a “church”, I have not thrown out the baby with the bathwater. After looking for quite a while to find people who believe as I do, this is where God has lead me and the Holy Spirit has shown me that John is teaching Biblical Truth–so far he has not once strayed from the plain truth that is in God’s Holy Word as written in the King James version of the Bible.

        Keith, I feel really sorry for you that you are totally ignoring the blood of our Lord, Jesus and the reason for the shedding of that blood! You are under total bondage to the OT Law, blinded by some man’s teachings with no obvious joy and peace. I pray for you daily that you will soon understand what John has been trying so hard to teach you–and you do need to be taught since you have taken up this false teaching. I would suggest that you read comment #34 by sage brush who has explained it so much better than I could. This person has “nailed” the whole truth. I have been praying for you daily ever snce you started this thread of thinking! God bless you and open your eyes to His Truth!

        Maranatha

        • The comment by sage brush that I recommend is now # 39 (if it doesn’t get changed again).

        • keith says:

          Thank you for praying for me Barbara. I’ve not thrown out the baby with the bath water, though. Please believe me on that. I see it as a righteous anger. I’m sorry if I offended you-I did not mean to. I wish you could see my other comments from last night-but John will not post them, as they would help clarify my current position. Too bad. Unfortunately this has happend to me before-my family is used to this routine of being forced out.

          • Keith–no offence taken–I am just so concerned for the route that you are taking now! Please, if you would, reveal the church where you feel that you were lied to and deceived by. Knowing that might help John and others give you counsel that would be of more benefit than just trying to convince you by scriptures of the dangers of the route you are taking now.

            Please read Mary E.’s comment. She has been down the road that you seem to have just been down and she recognizes the anger and frustration you are feeling.

            Marantha and may God reveal His real Truth to you!

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Barbara, I am now blocking is posts.

    • Barbara, I will add that they constantly tried to accuse him of breaking their man-made traditions(not Biblical). Whenever they accused someone of breaking Torah, it was ALWAYS a FALSE accusation. Stephen and Paul included-they were falsely accused of breaking the Law. Jesus upheld the Law perfectly, and Paul strove to do the same. If the Law of the Lord is perfect, then why would it make sense to do away with it?

      • JohnMcTernan says:

        Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
        Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
        Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
        Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
        Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

      • inhisservice says:

        Also consider the following:

        Gal 5:4 – Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

        Gal 5:18 – But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

        Keep looking up … the King is coming..

  18. Julia says:

    Face it people we ALL were brought up in some kind of religion from birth on we are carried to the church of our parents choice.We grow older and question well maybe not everyone,but to those who do break free from the bondage of religion(Yes bondage I grew up catholic then was told I could’nt marry my husband unless I convert to his religion which was luthren) It was then I questioned why God would do such a thing? But it was’nt God at all !! Just people with their belief system and obviously not schooled through the Holy Spirit that if they read Ephesians 4V4-6 “There is ONE body,and ONE spirit,even as you are called in ONE hope of your calling;
    ONE Lord,ONE Faith,ONE Baptism.
    ONE God and Father of all,who is above all,and through all,and in you all.
    It’s no wonder people are constantly searching and going from place to place,because they leave empty and are not being fed the truth.I Praise and Thank God so much for people like John McTurnan !!!!! He teaches that there is only ONE way to God and that’s Christ.Acts 4V10-12.
    God Bless your ministry John
    Julia

  19. Janine says:

    QUOTE: “Companies must place a warning for their customers on their tattoo ink labels, catalogs and Internet sites that reads “inks contain many heavy metals, including lead, arsenic and others” and that the ingredients have been linked to cancer and birth defects”. GOD IS A GENIUS! HE MADE OUR BODIES! WHY WOULD WE WILLINGLY WANT TO POISON THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT LIKE THIS!

    • sara says:

      Do you have any tattoos? Just curious. My husband is a tattoo artist…think i’ll ask him to bring some ink bottles home so i can check that out. We know a lot of elders covered in tattoos that have never had health issues and we ourselves just had an amazingly healthy baby girl.
      So, if what you say is true… why do we eat fast food when it is some of the most poisonous stuff to put in our bodies? Why do people smoke cigarettes when it’s obvious it never can end well? Why do kids drink un-organic milk and foods that are full of hormones? Or why do we let doctors pump shots into our children that weren’t necessary 10 years ago but now we “need” this vaccination? Just saying…. there are WAY to many products we could link health issues to that are right down the street at our local grocery store. I’m not sure that is valid or holds any weight here. Yes, God is amazingly genius. Watch ‘The Case for a Creator’ by Lee Strobel, it’ll blow your mind, I think you’d like it. However, my temple is decorated quite beautifully and He loves it just as much as I do. After all, it is decorated with His name. :o)

      • JohnMcTernan says:

        Is this question directed to me?
        No I do not have a tattoo nor would I ever get one.
        I believe that tattoos defile the body along with smoking etc.
        Tattooing the body is reverting back to paganism.

        1 Cor 3:16,17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
        If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

        • steve says:

          Revelation 19:16 “And he (Jesus) hath written on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS.” Rather than condemn all tatooing, perhaps exceptions can be made for tatoos that glorify God?

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Steve, the verse says nothing about tattooing. I think that you read this into the verse.
            His name was written on his vesture, which is clothing and in the same context His thigh.
            His name was written on His outer garments and not on His skin.
            It does not say written on His chest and thigh but vesture and thigh; therefore, it is on clothing.

          • steve says:

            John, you make a fair argument. However, the verse could also be read to point out a distinction between the vesture (an article of clothing), and thigh which is part of the anatomy. The rendering does not say pant leg (an article of clothing), it says thigh. You are correct however that I may have read “tatoo” into the verse. But lets look a little closer @ Lev. 19:28. “You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you. I am the LORD”. One thing to note is that tatoo is not the word used in the KJV. Some have read tatoo into this verse as well. Can’t have it both ways! I think the main thing in the verse itself and its immediate context seem to be filled with imperatives against being absorbed into the culture of the surrounding tribes. They (Israelites) were God’s set apart people. At that time they were under the Mosaic law or the covenant of law. Today we are under a different covenant, a covenant of grace, because of what Jesus accomplished @ the cross. My concern is that in zeal for the law, that we put into place standards that have nothing whatever to do with the circumcision of the heart, and focus more on appearances. We are naturally wired for law and not the gospel.That was often the measure used because of the misapplication of the law under the old covenant, or the letter of the law. Over and over again Jesus violated the “letter” to uphold the “spirit” of the law. He healed repeatedly on the Sabbath to uphold the highest standard of the law. The greatest commandment of the law is to love the LORD your God with all your soul, heart, and mind. The 2nd is like it, “love your neighbor as yourself. What Jesus did when he healed the blind man on the Sabbath did not violate the law, but upheld it in its highest and purest standard. In John 9:3 Jesus said in response to his disciples, “It is not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.” So when he healed the man born blind on the Sabbath, he was bringing glory to God, and loving his blind neighbor as himself.
            So, I don’t want to split hairs about vestures and thighs. What I am wanting to do is point out the difference between the “letter” and the “spirit”. Paul illustrates this in 1Cor. 10:19,20. He says that neither food offered to idols or idols themselves are anything. The important point is who you worship. Food sacrificed to idols for the purpose of making much of demons is the issue. The food and the idols are nothing, it is the attitude of the heart, not outward appearance that is the issue. I don’t think tatoos are the issue. The issue is who we worship. Is is King Jesus or an idol, and the number of idols our heart may possess is limited only by our imagination.
            Again you may be right as to the meaning of Rev. 19:16. I’m not very smart, I went to public school. Keep up the fine work my friend. I love you brother!
            Steve

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Steve,
            There is a reason why tattoo is not found in the KJB.
            The Bible was first printed in 1611, while the word tattoo was first used in English in 1771.

            The problem I have is bringing tattoos into the church and saying it is OK, when it is not OK.
            Tattoos are rooted in paganism and marking the body has been rejected by the church until now.
            Not to stand against this is serious with the Lord, as it defiles the body which is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

            1 Cor 3:13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
            1Co 3:14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
            1Co 3:15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
            1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
            1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

          • steve says:

            Hi John.
            Thank you for your response. I’m hoping for some gospel clarity, and unity. I’d like to say a couple things, and then I will put this issue and myself to bed.
            You are preaching to the choir. I do not have any tatoos and will not ever agree to having any.
            But in my mind you are straining at a gnat if you are going to war against tatoos simply because they are tatoos. Tatoos are bad or good depending on who they give glory to. What is written on Jesus’ thigh is KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS, and it gives glory to who he is–God.
            There are many things that defile the body, and we are all guilty. There are no good people. All have sinned… There are none who seek him… It is God who justifies the ungodly. If God has declared us ungodly, then we have no Godly virtue whatsoever dwelling within us. Even faith is alien to us, since it is a Godly virtue. We have been redeemed by an alien righteousness, so that none can boast.
            If we place our confidence in our hard work, we are on a slippery slope. Believers place their confidence in Christ’s hard work. We are covered by Christ’s mantle of righteousness. Having or not having tatoos is not what will justify us in the court of heaven. What did Jesus say to the Pharisee that was different than what he said to the tax collector in Luke 18? The one who focused on externals was condemned. The one who admitted he was a sinner, and begged for mercy got it. He went to his home justified, rather than the other.
            In the sermon on the mount Jesus emphasized internals not externals.
            In Mark 7:20 Jesus said “What comes out of a man is what defiles him.” 21 “For from within, out of the heart of man come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery.” 22 “coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. 23 “All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”
            Self righteousness loves hiding behind externals.
            I am NOT saying that tatoos can’t be a manifestation of idolatry, but so can things that are easier for us to justify (like the Pharisee) My point is that it is not the tatoo that is necessarily evil, but the bigger issue is what kind of heart condition it originates from. Any tatoo that gives glory to God is not a bad thing. The heart is the main thrust of Jesus’ arguments.
            The question we should ask ourselves before we think, say or do anything is not whether it is lawful, but is it helpful, does it build up, and is it done for God’s glory?
            1Cor. 10:23 “All things are lawful, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful, but not all things build up”.
            ICor. 10:31 “So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all for the glory of God.” That is the “Law” that should be our guide.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            How can tattoos give glory to God when they defile the body?
            The word of God is to be in our heart and not on our body.
            There should never be a picture of Jesus on our body as that is idolatry.
            This all draws attention to the body, which is the exact opposite of what Christians are to do.
            It is also making idolatry of the body.

            I have no problem with paganism in the world as that is the world.
            My problem is bringing paganism into the church.

          • steve says:

            Hello John
            Sorry that you cannot see that the main thrust of Jesus’ arguments did not focus on externals, but instead on internals. I guess we will have to agree to disagree, and that’s okay as long as we can agree on the main point of the Bible, which is the gospel.
            Remember though that you are using the word tatoo when it is not used in the version you prefer (KJV). Your argument that the word tatoo is not used in the KJV is because it was printed in 1611 and the word tatoo was not used in Engish until 1771 holds no water. The last revision of the KJV was done in 1850 and the word tatoo is still not present. The KJV has been revised 10 or 11 times. Remember also that idolatry is defined by anything substituted in the place of God. How are we all doing?
            In your world would you also be against a Tee shirt that says Jesus is LORD?
            Steve

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Steve,
            WE are going no place with this.
            The KJB not revised 10 or 11 times.
            The were grammar and spelling corrections and that is all.
            When you conjure up an image of Jesus and place it on your body, it is idolatry.
            In fact, it appears that this craze for tattooing is making an idol out of the body.
            Why all this focus on the body?
            The tee shirt is not part of one’s body which is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

          • steve says:

            Hello John
            You are correct. We will not agree on on the “tatoo issue. Again, I am sorry that you can not acknowledge that the main thrust of Jesus’ teachings and his exchanges with the Pharisees did not deal with externals, but instead with their point of origin, which is the heart. Since you unrelentingly insist on focusing on externals, and did not respond to my offer of finding common ground in that the gospel is the main point of the Bible, I am left to conclude that you are more comfortable with legalistic side of things.
            I understand.
            However, you are inaccurate when you say the only revisions to the KJV have been r/t grammar and spelling. The revisions of the KJV from 1611 to 1850 (in addition to changes in punctuation, capitalization, and spelling) include many hundreds of changes in words, word order, possessives, singulars for plurals, articles, pronouns, conjunctives, prepositions, entire phrases, and the addition and deletion of words. In view of that, would you say the KJV is verbally inerrant in 1611, 1629, 1638, 1644, 1664, 1701,1744, 1762, 1769, or 1850?

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Steve,
            This is the first time I have ever spoke out against tattoos.
            Normally it is issues of the heart that I would speak about.
            Prior to the late 1980s tattoo with Christians was not an issue as tattoos exploded in the last 25 years.
            This is why I am now speaking about paganism entering the church through tattoos.
            I do believe that tattoos are a heart issue as something is wrong with a person’s heart if they mar their body.

            Regarding the KJB, I think you are way off and what you posted is not true.
            I recommend reading this article as it will set you straight.
            http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/KJV/the-myth-of-revisions-in-the-kjv.htm

          • Vicki says:

            Let me help you out here John

            I know it’s OT Law, but our Creator does make it clear!

            Pick your favorite version :

            CJB Leviticus 19:28 Don’t cut gashes in your flesh when someone dies or tattoo yourselves; I am ADONAI.

            ESV Leviticus 19:28 You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the LORD.

            KJV Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

            NAS Leviticus 19:28 ‘You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead, nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD.

            NIV Leviticus 19:28 ” ‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

            NJB Leviticus 19:28 You will not gash your bodies when someone dies, and you will not tattoo yourselves. I am Yahweh.

            NKJ Leviticus 19:28 `You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the LORD.

            BGT Leviticus 19:28 καὶ ἐντομίδας ἐπὶ ψυχῇ οὐ ποιήσετε ἐν τῷ σώματι ὑμῶν καὶ γράμματα στικτὰ οὐ ποιήσετε ἐν ὑμῖν ἐγώ εἰμι κύριος ὁ θεὸς ὑμῶν

            WTT Leviticus 19:28 וְשֶׂ֣רֶט לָנֶ֗פֶשׁ לֹ֤א תִתְּנוּ֙ בִּבְשַׂרְכֶ֔ם וּכְתֹ֣בֶת קַֽעֲקַ֔ע לֹ֥א תִתְּנ֖וּ בָּכֶ֑ם אֲנִ֖י יְהוָֽה׃

            Sorry, just cannot help myself 😀

          • Vicki says:

            Tattooing is clearly the of the pagan and forbidden in scripture. Jesus would never do anything Pagan

      • Janine says:

        Understood. Fair point. I didn’t mean to offend anyone.

  20. sage_brush says:

    I hope no one minds if I jump in here, regarding the “keeping of commandments.”

    The fact is, we are NOT under the Law, but – we learn from it, just what miserable sinners we are. Galatians is the definitive work on this subject. At the time Paul wrote it, early Jewish/Christian converts were attempting to put Gentile/Christians under Mosaic Law. Please, anyone thinking that we are still under the Law, study Galatians, especially chapter 3.

    Galatians 3:24-26

    King James Version (KJV)

    24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

    It is also interesting to observe, that as we mature as Christians, we find ourselves keeping more and more of the Law, which is, indeed, when we walk closest to Him. But no-one can keep the Law. No one.

    I have had many students claim that they keep the Ten Commandments. Which is impossible, of course. I always ask – “So, then – you’re sinless?” They say no, but reply they always strive to keep them. This is works- based mentality. The “new man,” has put on Christ, and is NOT of this world. The Law is of the flesh. The current trend of the churches is towards dominionism, and works.

    A Christian can and should study OT Law, if they have a question about whether something is pleasing to the Lord, but if you truly have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you – you should know that already, through an active, Holy Spirit filled life, and thoroughly “searching the Scriptures.”

    Thank you, Lord Jesus, for your Mercy and Patience.

  21. dan wessel says:

    Janine had very good insights with the connections between tatoo’s and the book of deuteronomy.There is so much to learn and glean from,both scripture,and what the Lord has revealed to us,His Body.I thank God I’m still learning,as we all are,willing to be taught of God,by His Holy Spirit.We can[and should search the Scriptures daily],and still,we will never exaust it and say..I have learned enough.All these posts..and brother Johns comments and teachings from the Word,make me want to be a better student of the Word,and follower of Jesus…in whom I place all my trust.God bless all of you who are washed in the Blood of Christ.Keep following Him,there is nowhere else worth going to,no one else worth following.Christ paid it all.

  22. dan wessel says:

    Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet,and a light unto my path. Psalm 119;105

  23. Julia says:

    Well said Mr.McTernan……..A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches,and what a fine name it is John Stay Strong!
    Julia

  24. Henry says:

    I am just observing this discourse and wondered what instructions you personally base your lifestyle on?

  25. Tom says:

    Keith O’;

    John McTernan has shown empirically and emphatically that your straw-man arguments do not stand up to any test and are easily blown-away like so much chafe.

    He has also shown that you are totally inept and incapable of standing up to Socratic method of inquiry. Furthermore, You have refused or have been unable in any reasonable or rational way answer any question regarding your bizarre position that he has asked.

    I have shown how easily your arguments can be snared and how easily you can become entangled in your own words.

    You have demonstrated to your own complete and utter embarrassment to be totally confused by your own false arguments and thinking ad lipidum.

    You have demonstrated to not understand or have any real comprehension regarding the Feasts of Israel and fell flat when trying to correct me with totally false definitions on a topic of which you know absolutely nothing about.

    John McTernan has presented you with a face-saving measure regarding Galations 5 and once again you fall flat by showing that you don’t fully comprehend what Paul is saying or what John McTernan has so graciously and patiently trying to point out to you.

    Keith, you claim a refusal to be intimidated but yet feel free to attack John McTernan, Dan Wessel, Me, and now insult Barbara ad hominem one of the loveliest, most prolific writers this comment section has the pleasure of knowing.

    Keith, your Biblical view is one that is bizarre, harsh, cruel, vulgar, abrasive, divisive, and insulting.

    In His Service,
    Tom

    • keith says:

      Tom, Once again I am at a disadvantage because John will not post my comments. There is no point in continuing this dialougue. SOMEDAY you will see exactly what I am talking about. I’m sorry if I offended you.

    • keith says:

      Tom, I refrained from saying this earlier when you said you “set a snare”, but I will say it now-the father of lies is the setter of snares.

  26. JH says:

    In need of serious prayer.

  27. Janine says:

    A THOUGHT! Could there be a tattoo to show where the chip is perhaps?

  28. Ryan Thomas says:

    Janine, just some thoughts on mind control.satan and his minions already use mind control via the fiery darts from hell.They convey thoughts towards people ,and many think these darts are their own thoughts and act on them.I think satan is after bodies he can more easily posses.He wants soulless ones like nephilum,clones,cyborgs,or?I don’t think that is going to happen on a very big scale at least,because during the tribulation people still have a choice to take the mark or not.I think if a person pledges alliegance to and worships the antichrist,they are giving permission to be demon possessed.I think this is how satan will have his army of bodies on earth.They will sell their soul to satan for bread.The best thing we can do is like John has been saying,stay very close to our lord! God,hold us tight who love you.

  29. Vicki says:

    I think it was “the children of Israel” who were forbidden to get tattoos. This would apply to the mixed multitude. And has Paul states that “we were once far off and now a part of the commonwealth” I think that applies to all of us. If you are of the covenant, you need keep your end.
    A study of ancient near east covenants would be useful when our God is a covenant keeping God.

    A(nother) sign of the beast is the keeping the Sunday-the sun-god worship day. God told His children to keep the Sabbath. the 7th day established since creation! Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath, why are not today’s “disciples”?

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Oh no, here we go again.
      The Sabbath is not a day but is now the person of Jesus Christ.
      He is our Sabbath rest.
      The sabbath pointed to our rest in Him from our own works of righteousness.

      Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
      Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

      • Vicki says:

        So John, you keep New Moon?

        • JohnMcTernan says:

          This is first time anyone ever said this to me!
          This comment section is now really wild and it seems the Hebrew Roots people are now out in full force.
          There is some drive in people to be self-righteous.
          Self-righteous people cannot comprehend the grace of the New Testament.
          It is like a compulsion with them to talk about the law all the time and not the grace of the Lord Jesus.
          If you have not picked up on this there is an easy flag to look for.
          Talking about the law and not the Lord Jesus is THE sign of a self-righteous person.
          It is very easy to spot. In two minutes you can spot them.
          I talk about the Lord Jesus and they promote the law.

          • Vicki says:

            So do you keep New Moon? Obviously not by your comment. The scripture you have just used to defend you position is addressing those that actually keep those set-apart commanded holy days.

            My motivation to even take the time to reach out to you is for you to see that there is so much more richness, fullness and completely awesomeness of fully including ALL of the WORD MADE FLESH in our lives…Jesus IS from Genesis to Revelation everywhere in Scripture. He IS hidden in the text of the OLD TESTAMENT! We ARE pointing to Jesus! Don’t you see?He is the very WORD We are pointing to the WORD. He is the OLD TESTAMENT!

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            How do you ever come to the conclusion that I keep the new moon?

            My motivation is get you to focus on Jesus as the Sabbath and Passover and NOT a day.
            Can you understand that everyday is now our Sabbath in Jesus?
            Stop dividing the body of Christ over a day Sabbath.

          • Vicki says:

            I did not say that you keep new moon…read my reply again.

            Can you understand that never once did God ever say His law would change. He never foretold that the Sabbath day would change. Antiocus changed days. Constantine changed days. They are men. Never did God ever have a prophet prophecy that the Sabbath would be everyday. The scripture and instructions on Sabbath are very clear and detailed. He said He is God had he changes not.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Vicki,
            The Lord Jesus fulfilled the law.
            Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

            The law is not done away with in that Jesus Christ is now the embodiment of the law.
            With the New Covenant the Sabbath is not a day but HIM!
            Everyday is our Sabbath rest in Him.
            Passover in now not a day, but it is HIM!
            Everyday we live in the Passover covered by the blood of the Lamb.
            Everyday the death angel passes over us.

            You must grasp this to understand the New Covenant.
            Because Jesus Christ was perfect under the law, when I believe in Him,
            God imputes His righteousness into me.
            I am now righteous under the law BECAUSE OF JESUS CHRIST.
            I hope that you are grasping this otherwise, you are in great danger of being self-righteous and
            do not want to travel that road.

          • Vicki says:

            Then why did Jesus say not one jot or tittle will pass away?

            what exactly IS the new covenant John?

            If the law is fulfilled, and done away with, then its alright to commit adultery, murder, steal from others and so on… If Jesus fulfilled all the law.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Vicki, for this discussion the New Covenant is a person, the person of Jesus Christ.

            Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
            Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

            Heb 13:20,21 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
            Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

            This is why I am always pointing you to the New Covenant which is the person of Jesus Christ, which makes us Christ-righteous.

  30. Hom says:

    Question for John and others….

    If we are not under the law of Moses, why then is Christ going to rule this world by the law of Moses in the Millennial Kingdom?

    I taken to mean the saved and unsaved people of the nations will learn Torah.

    “Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet,and a light unto my path.” Psalm 119;105

    To apply the above qouted verse, you have to believe in Torah. Because that is what Torah is.

    The steps of a good man has already been decided by God in his Torah.

    Hom

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      He rules over the law of the House and not the law of Moses.
      He my book Only Jesus of Nazareth Can Sit on the Throne of the David as the book deals with this issue.

      Ezekiel 43:10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
      Eze 43:11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
      Eze 43:12 This is the law of the house; Upon the top of the mountain the whole limit thereof round about shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the house.

    • Janine says:

      FYI: The law of the temple vs the law of Moses. Article by John McT. Johnhttp://www.defendproclaimthefaith.org/SitThroneOfDavid.html

  31. Janine says:

    The Mark/Brand of God (Deut 6) –
    Just came across this ??? I assume it’s saying the Mark of the beast would be anti God’s word and show ‘worship’ to the anti-Christ?
    Praise God for Jesus, our blessed hope!
    Torah: The Hebrew word “תורה torah” has been translated as “law” every single time in the English King James Scriptures but it has far different and deeper meaning than this. In fact, Strong’s defines “torah” as “law, “instruction”, and “direction”. Also, other translations render the word “torah” as “teaching”. The root word of “torah” is “ירה yarah” which has been translated as “teach” 42 times out of 84 in the King James Scriptures. “Yarah” also has been translated several times as “shoot” or “archers”. This root seems to reveal that “torah” means to direct a teaching to a particular audience. However, when one examines the ancient Hebrew pictograms for each letter, we get a deeper sense of the meaning of “torah”.
    1. T: Tav: ה: Mark/sign/covenant
    2. R: Resh: ר: Head/person/first
    3. H: Hey: ת: Lo!/Behold!/”The”
    From this we discern that “torah” is the covenant mark or sign of a certain head or authority on a person for everyone to see or behold. This could be likened to a brand upon a beast in order to distinguish its owner. The following Scriptures come to mind:
    De 6:8 “And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.” The sign referred to as “them” in this verse are all the words which God commanded the Israelites to have in their hearts and TEACH their children. (De 6:6-7) These words are His torah or teaching – and they are His “brand” upon His people.

    • Vicki says:

      Yes!
      The very word Torah (law) screams Jesus!

      Behold the Head of the Covenant!

      • JohnMcTernan says:

        No Vicki,
        He is the covenant.
        Do you understand this: that He is covenant.
        He is the Sabbath as it is no longer a day but a person.
        Everyday is a Sabbath rest to me because He is the Sabbath.
        If this is the case there is no need fight over Saturday or Sunday worship.
        The day does no longer matter because it is the person of Jesus Christ who is our Sabbath rest.

        Remember it is a New Covenant and not a renewed covenant.

        • Vicki says:

          Who is that renewed covenant with John?
          31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah–
          32 “not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.
          33 “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
          (Jer 31:31-33 NKJ)

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            That was my question to you.
            Are we under a New Covenant or a renewed covenant?

          • Vicki says:

            According to the scripture of Jeremiah, it is new…looks like you must not be understanding the what it entails. Same thing as the old ones. His law! Uh-ohh!

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            I understand it.
            I am just testing how far you are into Hebrew roots.
            The ones in real deeply say that it is not new but renewed.
            This is why I asked you the question.

          • Vicki says:

            I have been walking this way for 4 years and Love the Lord more deeply than any other time in my life. He has indeed wrote His law on my heart and in my mind. It is awesome to realize the depth of His care and love for His children that He gave us rules we can live by.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Are these 10 rules just for you to follow or are they something that all
            Christians must follow?

  32. Nancy says:

    For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
    3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin,condemned sin in the flesh:
    4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    5) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Romans 8: 2-5

  33. Mary E. says:

    Keith,
    Quote: “John,What religious stronghold? I choose to obey God’s commandments because of my salvation-not for my salvation.”

    Not true,Keith. By making the decision to walk in the Law,you are taking what Jesus did on the cross and throwing it away. You are basing your salvation on works.
    It’s time to get to the heart of the matter. Why exactly,at this point and time in your life,did you decide to embrace a lie from satan? What is going on in your life that has allowed the strongman to come in and blind you? These are questions you need to ask yourself. By reading all of your comments I get the impression that anger is a large part of the equation. Since you started commenting on this blog,you have mentioned your dissapointment with the church. That’s understandable,as we all know the state it is in,it’s enough to make anyone angry. We have all,at one time or another,experienced rejection from fellow Christians and sadly,more is to come. If anger has become an overwhelming issue with you,as I suspect it has,then the time has come for you to deal with it. First,you must take the anger you feel and everything that goes with it,unforgiveness,hate,etc., before the Lord. Next,Keith you must repent and forgive any and all who have hurt you. If you choose not to do this,you will find yourself heading to a very dark place,the Lord’s hands will be tied, if you put yourself there. You will also deprive the Lord of using you in mighty and miraculous ways because your ears will be closed to the Holy Spirit. Is this the walk that you want for yourself? In stubborness,will you continue to live the law and possibly pull others into bondage? This is a heavy weight to bear…didn’t Jesus say that He would make our burdens light? He bore the heaviness of the Law and our sins,on the cross,so you wouldn’t have to carry it. Keith,Jesus came to heal the broken-hearted. Let Him do that for you,NOW not later. I say all of this to you out of Christian love and concern and one who has struggled with anger because of rejection. He set me free and healed me of a broken heart…He can do it for you.
    God Bless!

    • keith says:

      Keith,
      (Content deleted)

      I am now blocking your posts, so please do not waste your time.
      You have chosen to become self-righteous and not Christ-righteous.
      This is a clear and deliberate act of your will.
      You are now following error just like you condemn in others.
      John McTernan

    • Vicki says:

      I would like to know why Constantine Christians think that God-the creator of all things, would give man a law Soooooo difficult to keep? Is not YHVH a long-suffering, merciful God?
      Why would He give us rules that are impossible to live by? What kind of God would that be?! Create man, give him impossible rules to live by just so he can punish us? Your logic is terribly flawed.
      You ever wonder why there are guests and a bride at the wedding? Did you ever notice the distinction between the two?
      NKJ Matthew 22:1 And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said:
      2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son,
      3 “and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come.
      4 “Again, he sent out other servants, saying,`Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.”‘
      5 “But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business.
      6 “And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them.
      7 “But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
      8 “Then he said to his servants,`The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy.
      9 `Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’
      10 “So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.
      11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment.
      12 “So he said to him,`Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless.
      13 “Then the king said to the servants,`Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
      (Mat 22:1-13 NKJ)

      • JohnMcTernan says:

        I guess from reading this comment those that are worthy of heaven are those that keep the Sabbath, which naturally you do.
        Are you now self-righteous to go to heaven? That is what it appears what you are saying.
        Everyone please notice the obvious self-righteous of this person.
        There is not a word about the Lord Jesus Christ and out blood covenant with Him, but what is sooooo important is the Sabbath.

        I have news for you that the Sabbath is not a day but the person of the Lord Jesus Christ.

        Colossians 2:16,17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
        Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

        The Sabbath was but a shadow but the reality is Jesus Christ.
        Can you comprehend this? It is no longer a day but the person of Jesus Christ.
        He is our rest and when we believe in Him we cease in our works for righteousness.

        He is our Sabbath rest and when He is our Savior EVERYDAY is a Sabbath rest for us.
        We ceases from out works and rest in His salvation, which He provided for us when He shed His blood on the cross.

        Notice how I am pointing you to Jesus which is Christ-righteousness and not the law which is self-righteousness.

        Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
        Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
        Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
        Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
        Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
        Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
        Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
        Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
        Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
        Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
        Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

  34. sage_brush says:

    @Hom – it is not that we do not believe the Torah. Far from it, but the church, the Body of Christ, specifically is instructed to spread the Gospel. That is our responsibility. Paul said the burden of the Law was “unbearable.” The entire purpose of the Law and the entire OT is demonstrate and portray our need of the Savior, and to contrast just how far beneath Him we are.

    If you, or anyone else thinks that they are keeping the Commandments, even THINKING you are keeping the commandments – is sin. Why? Because we can’t! Only Jesus Christ did, can, and continues to do so. Thinking that we have any of our own righteousness (lawfulness) is exceedingly sinful for several reasons.

    If we comfort ourselves with the fact that we have not murdered anyone – The Word correctly smacks us right down

    1 John 3:15

    King James Version (KJV)

    15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

    The same goes for the Law of adultery, coveting, theft, bearing false witness . . . but the one we break, the most important Law of the all – is this one – numero uno!

    Exodus 20

    King James Version (KJV)

    Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

    The only righteousness we can ever have, is the righteousness of Christ, if we will receive it. If you think you can keep even one of the Commandments – you are putting yourself on His level – making yourself – God. The reason mature Christians seem to “keep the Commandments,” is not of their own doing. As they mature – their
    old man” weakens and dies, and the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ takes over more and more. It is NONE of their own righteousness. It is entirely His, and only His.

    Romans 10:4
    For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

    Amen and amen.

    • Vicki says:

      4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

      21 “Not everyone who says to Me,`Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
      22 “Many will say to Me in that day,`Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
      23 “And then I will declare to them,`I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
      (Mat 7:21-23 NKJ)

      • JohnMcTernan says:

        I guess that you are trying to say unless you keep the Sabbath a person cannot go to heaven?
        Please clarify this for the thread.
        Because if that is what you mean, then this verse if for you:

        Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

        • Vicki says:

          I need to clarify what Jesus said? I think He speaks for himself.

          Please understand a few facts. Gods perfect and just law (you call it the old testament law) and the “law” of the Pharisees( and Sadducees)are two completely different things. That is what so many Christians fail to understand. Have you ever considered that? That Jesus took issue with the “law” of the Pharisees, but kept Gods law perfectly. The Pharisees added to Gods law and that was what Jesus rebuked them for. They in turn accused Him of breaking “their” law.
          So which law is your Galatians quote addressing?

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            The law of Moses

          • Vicki says:

            Why does Paul contradict in that then in verse like 3:11-12? Paul is also a man who kept God’s law.

            Again, why would God make laws too hard to keep?

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            The law is good, but it impossible to keep because of man sinful nature.
            This is the purpose of the law:

            Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
            Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
            Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

          • Vicki says:

            Again, why would a good gracious and merciful God GOD give us rules too hard to live by?
            They are not too hard.

            Lets look at an common modern scenario.
            You go to college and get a degree in higher education. After you graduate and hang the certificate on your wall, do you just forget everything you have learned and say “it’s done away with” My education got me to where I am, but I am just going to disregard all the rules that I should apply in my field.

            What Paul is essentially saying in Galatians text you have quoted. You know the basics, they have shined light on our flaws, and they have got you to where you are, but your with faith in Jesus, you should not need the corrections of the school master. You should be living according to what the law(schoolmaster) has taught you.
            Who gave that law? James 4 :12 states there is ONE lawgiver who is able to save.
            Who Saves us? Jesus. The very ONE who gave us the law!
            JESUS gave us the laws you are calling impossible to live by. HE was there in the wilderness, was He not? He was the Rock that followed them. It was He who gave the law! The very laws that hold the world in place. The very law that makes the stars hang in the heavens. Every law was thru HIm He was before the foundation of the world He is the very light!
            He said His yolk is easy and His burden is light! It’s not too hard John.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Question for you: is it a New Covenant or renewed covenant?
            We are no longer under the schoolmaster. That is very clear to understand.
            You have a 180 degree wrong understanding of the law.
            The law is perfect and good but man is sinful and cannot keep it with Israel being the example.
            It was given to show how sinful man is and needs a Savior.

            Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made
            Deut 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
            Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
            Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
            Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
            Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

            In your mind, you can be righteous if you keep it!
            The more I read you attitude about the law, the clearer it become you are steeped in self-righteousness.
            I call you self-righteous NOT to insult you, but to force you to face what you are doing, and
            hopefully repent and come under the grace of the Lord Jesus and the New Covenant.

            You need to become Christ-righteousness and drop the law of Moses as HE is our Sabbath rest and the day does not matter.

          • Vicki says:

            John, I am hardly self righteous. I know full and well that my rightousness is as filthy rags. I know grace more than most as I come out of an past of promiscuity and drug use. That was as a “saved” Christian, or at least I thought I was! I am married to my 3rd husband. I am the woman at the well. I am Hannah who could not bear. Don’t you assume to know a thing about me. I was afraid of God all my life because I knew on judgment day I was in for it. Now, that I have studied the WHOLE testmanet instead of just the NT I understand WHO God is and what He expects of me as His child. Now that I have, I have found freedom in His perfect law. Again, I only wish to share in the goodness and richness I have found.
            NKJ Psalm 1:1 Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
            2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night.
            3 He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season, Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper.
            4 The ungodly are not so, But are like the chaff which the wind drives away.
            5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
            6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the ungodly shall perish.
            (Psa 1:1-6 NKJ)
            If it’s good enough for David, it’s good enough for me.

            You apparently have a heart of stone.
            26 “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
            27 “I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
            (Eze 36:26-27 NKJ)
            That’s prophecy John and it is happening all around you.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Vicki,
            Are you the person who referred to Sunday worship as Constantine Christianity?
            And, quoted the verses connecting keeping the Sabbath and going to heaven?
            Did you quoted a whole load of verses about keeping the law, or do I have you mixed up with someone else?
            If you are the one, it is classic self-righteousness.
            If not then I apologize, as I have you mixed up with someone else.

          • Vicki says:

            Nope, that’s me! The very one and the same Sabbath keeping, blessed individual. Funny, I do not equate keeping law with going to heaven, that would be putting words in my mouth. I do not believe people go to heaven, but only sleep until the resurrection of the dead. We do go thru the gates of the New Jerusalem

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            are you blessed because you keep the Sabbath or is it that Jesus is the Sabbath?
            I am blessed every day because Jesus is my Sabbath rest every day.
            Is Jesus Christ your Sabbath rest every day?

            You believe in soul sleep which is very odd.
            I look to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord
            2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

            People are in heaven with God before the resurrection of the body.

            Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
            Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
            Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

            This is where they are resurrected from the dead.
            Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
            Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
            Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

            I think the more you post comments the more conflict we are going to come into.
            I can clearly see this right now.

          • Vicki says:

            Yes the martyred are in the millenium. I do not believe in soul sleep.
            Yes, to be absent with the body is present with the Lord. I believe that too….I just don’t believe that we go to heaven, float around on clouds playing harps. We go thru one of the 12 gates of New Jerusalem.
            12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
            13 three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.
            So if you are not in a tribe, how do you get in?
            14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. (Rev 22:14 NKJ)
            Please note:
            15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. (Rev 22:15 NKJ)

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            No, the martyred are in heaven under the altar waiting for their resurrection to enter the millennium.
            You used the word soul sleep which highly charged.
            It is something that the cults use, so I suggest that you stop using it.

          • sage_brush says:

            Vicki – just what Laws do you keep? There are over 600 of them – and we are told:

            James 2:10

            For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

            To all my “Sabbath Keeper” friends out there – Would you also stone your daughter to death for not being a virgin on her wedding night? Deut: 22: 13-21

            Or how about your teenaged son – how about stoning him if he screws up and gets drunk with his worldly friends? Stone him to death? Deut. 21:18-21

            How about people that don’t go to church/synagogue on Saturday or Sunday? Numbers 15:32-36.

            The problem “Law Keepers” have – is they cherry-pick the Law. Keeping the palatable ones – and claiming the distasteful ones are no longer in effect. Just how is that determination made?

            I suggest, once again to all of the members of the “Law keeping” camp – please, please study the Book of Galatians! Please. The Law, the Sabbath, the Passover, the Judgements, ALL of it – IS A PERSON by the Name of JESUS CHRIST.

            The Law is not about what you should do – it is about WHO HE IS.

          • Vicki says:

            Show me where in scripture a child was actually ever stoned.
            I can only keep the laws that apply to women. To keep others would be breaking the law.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            What happens if you fail to keep the law?
            Do you miss heaven?

          • Vicki says:

            That is where the Grace that you tout comes in.
            I am aiming for the New Jerusalem. There are 12 gates and we have to go thru one of them.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            This is the grace that we live in right now:

            Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

            Notice how God’s grace teaches us to look for the Blessed Hope, the coming of the Lord Jesus for His bride.

            This is the grace that those who want live under the law lose:
            Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
            Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
            Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
            Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
            Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
            Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

          • Vicki says:

            John I know all about grace. I was in the Lutheran Church prior to coming to Torah. Lutherans are big on grace. In fact, believe it or not, I still work as a secretary in the church we came out of.
            If you do not believe me, you can tell me your email and I will give you the website and phone number to where I work.

            Again. there are two laws referred to in the bible. Gods law and the law of the Pharasees

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Come to Torah is mind blowing!
            What about the prophets and New Testament?
            You are head long into the Hebrew Roots and heading directly
            away from the grace of the Lord Jesus into self-righteousness.

          • sage_brush says:

            Vicki – you still won’t tell me the Laws you keep perfectly.

            Good grief – you are entirely missing the point. Your statement – “I can only keep the laws that apply to women. To keep others would be breaking the Law,” is a perfect example of “self” righteousness.

            The Ten Commandments apply to everyone – men and women. Do you keep those? All Ten of them at all times?

            ” The sacrifices of the Law have been replaced by the one time sacrifice of Jesus. The morals of the Law have been written in our hearts and are very much with us now. When any of us Christians sin, we feel remorse for it. We do not, however, have to have a guilty conscience for it.

            Remorse is feeling disappointment because we let Jesus down as well as ourselves because we gave in to a temptation. We are not guilty because there is no penalty for what we did since Jesus paid it all. When he paid it all on the cross, he abolished the Law completely except for the morals which the Holy Ghost wrote in our hearts.

            When a Christian sins, he goes immediately to 1 John 1: 9. This Scripture, when acted upon, restores the fellowship between the sinning Christian and God. This Scripture has nothing to do with salvation. It pertains exclusively to restoring broken fellowship with the sinning Christian. Praise God for a complete salvation. Here’s the Scripture.”

            1 John 1:9 KJV

            9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

            http://www.jaysnell.org/asgeletters/thirteenscriptures.htm

            Many people use the freedom we have in Christ to live immorally (ie: “gay” Christians) This is what could be termed “eyeservice.”

            The truly SURRENDERED, born again Christian has the Law written on their hearts. When we keep our eyes, hearts and minds 100% on Jesus Christ and His wonders – there is no more conflict, we do not wrestle with moral issues – because He is our peace.

            I do not need the Law to tell me to dress modestly – I know in my heart that I should. I do not need the Law to tell me abortion is murder – I know because He tells me. The Law did not tell me to home school my children – the Holy Spirit lead me to it.

            As a student of the Old Testament (as I am) you are doubtless familiar with the Ark of the Covenant. Where was the Law in the Ark? Over the Mercy Seat? No. Written all over the pillars and walls? No – it was inside the Mercy Seat – with a “covering” over it! Remember – the Mercy Seat had to be sprinkled with blood.

            Also inside was a pot of Manna, and Aaron’s budding rod. Can you see what this “dress rehearsal” means?

            Jesus Christ is the Law, He is the Bread from Heaven, He is the dead “Branch” that “rebloomed”, He is the Blood . . . that COVERS the LAW!

            HE is our Mercy Seat. that COVERS the LAW. Surrender fully to Him – and you will walk closer to Him than the Law could ever bring you.

            I beg you not diminish the authority and completeness of what Christ did for us on Calvary.

            2 Corinthians 12:9

            King James Version (KJV)

            9 And He said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for My strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

            Amen and amen.

          • Vicki says:

            Yes, I keep all ten including the Sabbath for the last 4 years. Its not self righteous, its obedience.

            Saying the 10 are too hard is a cop-out. So we ought try till we get it right? That is where His mercy and grace come in, when we try!

            I am not diminishing the perfect sacrifice on the cross laid His life down for me.

            You assume.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Obedience to what?
            Is it obedience to the law of Moses or
            is it obedience that Jesus Christ fulfilled the law and we now live on the New Testament.
            Who or what are you you obedient to?

          • Vicki says:

            Obedience to the Creator of the universe. Again, Jesus said not one jot or tittle will pass away. You live on the New Testament, but we should live the whole testament! Again, Jesus is the Word made flesh. That means He is the walking talking OT scriptures. He had to come and show us how to do it. We ought follow His example. Is that not what He said?

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            No, no, no.
            He is NOT an example but He is the New Covenant,
            He is the Sabbath, and not a day
            He is the Passover and not a day.
            He is Yom Kippur and not a day.
            He is the First Fruit and not a day.
            How many times do I have to tell you this?
            It does not appear to be sinking into your mind which is sign of being self-righteous.

          • sage_brush says:

            My dear sister in Christ, Vicki,

            Here is the problem –

            “Saying the 10 are too hard is a cop-out. So we ought try till we get it right? That is where His mercy and grace come in, when we try!”

            “Try till we get it right?” That is called sin. We can never, ever, ever – get it right. Even thinking that you got it “right” is sin, because since only HE can do it “right” – you are putting yourself on HIS level. Can you see what that means?

            The Ten Commandments are wonderful, and perfect, and awesome. Just like HIM – because HE is the Ten Commandments personified.

            I perceive that you use a “New King James” Bible. I believe this is where some of your issue lies. The NKJ is a satanic corruption. If you do not yet have enough discernment to sense that something is terribly wrong while you are reading it – you should not even have it in your house – because it is “unclean.”

            “The New Age Movement and the occult are longing for one called the Maitreya. The Bible calls him the Anti-Christ. New Ager’s refer to him as the “the Coming One” – AND SO DOES THE NKJV! In Luke 7:19, 20 (see also Matt 11:3) John told his disciples to ask Jesus: “Are You THE COMING ONE. . .” In the “The Great Invocation”, a “prayer” highly reverenced among New Agers and chanted to “invoke” the Maitreya, says, “Let Light and Love and Power and Death, Fulfil the purpose of the Coming One.”

            And to REALLY show their sympathy with the satanic New Age Movement – BELIEVE IT OR NOT – in Acts 17:29 the New Age NKJV changes “Godhead” to “Divine Nature”! ( ditto NIV, NASV)”

            http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html

            If you are sitting under a preacher or teacher that uses it or another “revision” – run – I mean flee that situation. Seriously. Otherwise – you will be spiritually vulnerable to deception.

          • Vicki says:

            So do you keep doing the same sin over and over? I know I struggled a long time with issues of sin, but with repentance and trying to overcome, yes with the blood of the lamb, eventually we get it right, and then He shows us the next thing to correct and so on. Life is all about overcoming our flesh, no?
            Thanks for your concern about my bible use, but I am not King James only. I know the flaws and errors in that version and others including changing Passover to Easter. The program on the computer I was using had Esword. My personal computer has Bibleworks7 with every version of the bible out there as far as I know. Please know something about we Hebrew Roots people, we usually take it back to the original text-Hebrew (or the Greek) Hence the term Hebrew Roots.
            Shalom.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            I thought you were leaving?
            The reason the King James translates Easter because there was no word in English for Passover or Pascal lamb.
            It was not an error at that time.
            All the translations of the day like the Bishops Bible, Geneva Bible and Tyndale’s translated it Easter.
            This was not because of an error but because there was no English word for it.
            It is called transliteration.
            Gradually Passover and Pascal lamb became words in English and that is how they are now translated.

            If you are going back to the Hebrew, make sure that it is the Masoretic text as found in the KJB.
            All the others have been tampered with.
            The same with the Greek. Use the Textus Receptus of the KJB and not the Nestle Aland.

            Remember, the deeper you go into the Hebrew Roots the further you move away from the grace of the Lord Jesus and the New Testament.

  35. dan wessel says:

    The whole of the Word from Genesis to Revelation is all about a person.It is really easy to get caught in a theological corner,and be ensnared in religion.Christ set us free from the law,as it shows us we are incapable of keeping it.i.e.Galations,..and only a perfect,sinless individual can inherit Heaven.Seeing as we are not perfect,or sinless,we need One who is.Only Jesus can claim perfection and sinlessness.He literally is ‘GOD in flesh’,.He has said,When you have seen me,you have seen my father,another time He has said to His disciples,Do you not know who I am?We can offer nothing that could be found acceptable to God works wise,that He would say..come on in to Heaven,you are accepted by your own works.On the contrary,we are all an unclean thing,utterly detestable in the Lords sight,nothing good found in us.It is completely a ‘God thing from start to finish.He took the initiative to save us from our self-righteous selves.We have nothing God would want,to think we could induce Him by our works,just does’nt appear in scripture.The Works were completed at the Cross by the only One Holy,Just,Pure,and True.The whole of the law,all the requirements need to satisfy a Holy God,were fulfilled once for all,when a Perfect Christ,laid down His life willingly,for us.If someone is not saved,it is because they haven’t yet come to that place,or have rejected God’s Only way of salvation.The law is like those gutter guards they put in bowling lanes to keep us from going off the rails,when we are children..like a protective fence.They were never mean’t to be our method of salvation,but as Scripture,and many others have pointed out,,,our schoolmaster.Christ,and His finished work..That is our salvation.

  36. Janine says:

    Be encouraged: we can trust that God will never change His word and promises. God is the word and His word is true and powerful and yes His word has never changed and will never change!
    (Malachi 3:6) For I am The Lord (the word) and I change not!
    (John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God.

  37. Janine says:

    WE MUST TRUST GOD IN PEOPLE & LOVE ONE ANOTHER! Acts 5:38-39
    “And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; 39 but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it—lest you even be found to fight against God”.
    “One of the devil’s strategies to delay this next move of God will be to make the Jewish roots movement legalistic. Religious spirits will cause some Christians to believe that if they don’t say God’s name in Hebrew or if they don’t worship on Saturday, it will cost them their salvation. They will try to make those who celebrate traditional Christian holidays feel like second-class citizens. Don’t get me wrong. I believe there are supernatural blessings in New Covenant expressions of celebrating the feasts. I love to refer to Jesus by His Hebrew name, Yeshua. I love to have my Shabbat (Sabbath) on Saturday—the biblical day God selected. I know that centuries ago many Church traditions were merged with pagan practices for political and anti-Jewish reasons. I know how, after this happened, the Church moved from intimacy and power to dead religion. But please do not commit the same error by legislating something God Himself is restoring in New Testament freedom. Let us provoke others to jealousy by the out- pouring of God’s Spirit and love and power when we worship Him on biblical feast days.
    On the other hand, the same religious spirits are at work in the Gentile Church. Some Christians make you feel as if Sunday worship is required for salvation. Others act as if you are betraying the faith if you object to the paganism mixed into Easter and Christmas or if you use Hebrew names. For revival to spread we will need a lot more loving and a lot less judging.
    From Sid Roth – it’s supernatural!
    WE MUST LOVE ONE ANOTHER!

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Just as long as telling the truth is part of love.

      • Janine says:

        Still trying to find the truth so I can tell it! lol. So glad Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. And it’s Him, the truth, that sets us free. I found truth, Jesus my blessed hope and now I praise Him that I’m free to love with His love. As the word says, God is the only one we can truly trust and as you say, His word is our final authority. God Bless You! Just another Truth seeker!

      • Janine says:

        People are searching for the truth hey John and the enemy doesn’t like it and does whatever he can to deceive them away from finding it!

      • Janine says:

        Thanks to satan, people don’t know what the truth is and have a hard time finding it…..
        …… Jesus….. The only way!

  38. sara says:

    I just first want to say that I have no doubt we are getting closer to the ‘end times’. True followers of Christ must arm ourselves with the Word and guard our hearts so that we will have the wisdom and discernment needed to see Truth. I am well aware of the mark of the beast and all associated with it. I was raised in church with a father who was a teacher of world religion, psychology and pastor for the last 20 years. The lifetime I have had with Christ is like no other. We have a very intimate relationship and I KNOW Him. We walk everyday together, discuss all issues of my life from the smallest to most grand of decisions. Our journey together has not always been easy but worth every moment. Even when circumstances and people around me said there’s no way He could love me with all you’re going through, I knew in my mind and heart, b/c of what His word has told me, that He was there and in fact loves me more than anything. Now that I have prefaced it with my background, let me say this. I have tattoos. LOTS of tattoos. Majority of them are symbols, scriptures, words or images that mark different parts of my life’s journey with Him. They are powerful, meaningful and a life long witness (that can never be hidden) to those all around me constantly. Christ is what motivated me to get them and what will continue to motivate my next one. They are not trivial, they are not silly, they are my way of never being able to deny Him to anyone with proof of my commitment to Him all over my body. I have witnessed & shared Christ with more people over conversations about my tattoos than any other time in my life. To say people with tattoos are going against God and His word is..well…absurd. We must always look at scripture in it’s original context. Who it was written to, the culture of that time, what Law they were operating under etc. You can trust me 100% when i tell you, MY JESUS LOVE ME AND ALL MY TATTOOS. This is a personal issue and preference, not an issue of the heart. Let’s be careful before we judge people when we know nothing of their story. It would be unwise and foolish to assume I would be swayed into accepting the mark of the beast b/c I’m “used to tattoos”. I am not judging anyone here or their opinion, I’m just simply askin you all to do the same. Be careful children of God to not pass judgement and misuse scripture and use legalism to affirm your own perceptions of others. Christ sits here with me as I type this and pray over what I’m writing and shakes His head at how many people are missing what His whole mission and message was about. IT’S A MATTER OF THE HEART. I know where I will be for eternity, in the arms of my loving Father! Whether i never get another tattoo or get a hundred more is neither here nor there. I am a Christ follower, period. I do not add to His word or take away from it. Anyone who could say I will be jaded by the anitchrist b/c of this is blind to the strength of the Holy Spirit and those who truly know His character and love Him.

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      If you had the tattoos before coming to the Lord that is one thing.
      You can repent of that.
      If you continued to get them after coming to the Lord that is something else.
      This is serious rebellion against the Lord and needs to be confess and healed your mind for what lead you to do this.
      At the root of tattoos is paganism.

      You expect to justify tattoos under the guise of not judging you!
      I think your attitude towards tattoos is very dangerous and could open the door for others to get them also,
      especially, the young who see you with them.

      Tattoos are part of America reverting back to paganism and away from God.

  39. Janine says:

    “Was the massacre in Newtown, Connecticut a premeditated planned sacrifice to Lucifer? There were eye witness reports of two to three gunmen. There were eye witness reports that at least one extra gunman was captured by police and handcuffed. Conversations were heard between the gunmen. So, why is the media covering that up?
    Guns had been stored in the school beforehand. Even journalists are now reporting the obvious patterns to this with other shootings … same modus operandi. Yes, most of them are all tied together. Yes, attackers are being CHIPPED…police, soldiers, and civilians. The shooting in Washington DC was done by a man who had been working with a government mind programming experiment. I know about these mind programming experiments. The Manchurian Candidate movie of years ago was really alerting us. But, now chipped operatives can receive their orders directly into their brain.
    But, then, Lucifer loves to brag on what he is doing. And then there are the demon possessed, the programmed hybrids, and the returning Nephillim, who carry out the orders of Satan.
    Lucifer/Satan is demanding more and more sacrifices since he is soon to be thrown into this earth (Revelation 12:7-17).
    Abortion is a horrendous sacrifice to Satan. America funds abortions worldwide”. EMAIL – ANONYMOUS

  40. Janine says:

    “How fascinating that the weather channel has begun naming winter storms all of a sudden. The list of names for the 2012-2013 winter season began with Athena, which followed Hurricane Sandy. It is interesting that all of the names are names of pagan gods and goddesses.
    The massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary school took place on Friday, December 14th. Beginning on December 17th, the winter blizzard “Draco” (Latin for Dragon) hit the U.S. I have a picture of the shape of the storm. Like many winter storms it was in the shape of a hook, just like Captain Hook’s hook. As weathermen know and have said, there are no natural weather patterns anymore. They are all controlled by scalar weather warfare technology, HAARP in Alaska being the main one. All are used to implement the evil plans of the world elite” EMAIL – ANONYMOUS

  41. Brian says:

    I hope this comment doesn’t get lost in the ongoing discussion, but I found this opinion article worth sharing with the author and thoughtful guests who visit this blog. We who live in the West — especially in the U.S. — are incredibly blessed. The article notes that as many as 200 million Christians worldwide are socially disadvantaged, harassed or actively oppressed for their beliefs.

    Dim Future for Middle East Christians
    http://www.newsmax.com/FrankGaffney/Middle-East-Christians-Islam/2012/12/28/id/469326

  42. sage_brush says:

    Dear Sara,

    As a ladies Bible teacher, I feel compelled to counsel you against any more tattooing of your “temple.” Christan women are to be modest at all times. I am not sure how you can display your “messages” while maintaining modesty. I perceive that you are a youngish woman, (correct me if I am wrong.) The behavior of Christian woman is to be as follows:

    Titus 2: 3-5

    3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

    4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

    5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

    Really, my dear one, it is important for the lost souls that you come in contact that you demonstrate this discretion. Trust me when I say – that tattoos are not looked on as Christian, no matter what the words say. It is the same with heavy metal music. Rock and Roll is a derogatory slang term for the sex act – ergo – Christian “rock” music is an oxymoron. When we please our flesh – we are grieving the Holy Spirit. Displaying “body art” is completely prideful. The “world” perceives tattoos to be of the world. Don’t deceive yourself about this.

    How we live, dress, and act, is just as important a witness as what we say.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21-23

    King James Version (KJV)

    21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

    22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

    23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Amen.

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Wow, what fantastic counseling you just gave.
      It is refreshing to hear such sound advice from the word of God.
      Thank you

      • sage_brush says:

        That is high praise indeed, coming from such a great teacher as you, John. Thank you, for your tenacious and steadfast work for the Gospel of Jesus Christ,. And for rightly dividing the Word of truth.

        2 Timothy 2:15

        King James Version (KJV)

        15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

  43. sage_brush says:

    p.s. A Catholic acquaintance of mine (who I have been witnessing to for a long time without much success) is also a doctor of Political Science and amazing researcher, wrote this article on the carcinogens in tattoo ink. I am entirely ignorant of them myself, but this is what she discovered:

    http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/09/13/tattoo-ink-contains-carcinogens/

  44. Impalamike says:

    Revelation 19:16 (King James Version)

    16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

    Before all of you hippacrits start preaching all of this crap, you might actually read your bible. I have outlines one of 15 versus where the bible talks of Jesus having a tattoo (s) when he returns.
    This is why nobody like “Christians” anymore because of all of you hippacrits that tend to blow everything out if proportion and also preach at everyone, and then go and do something that you just preached again, hence the judging that I can guarantee every single one of you probably do. In Matthew 7:1 the bible specifically says ” Judge not that YE be not judged”! Read up and shut your mouth!!!!

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Are you serious with this?
      How much sin is justified by Matthew 7?

      Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

      Only someone with a tattoo mentality would see this as a tattoo.
      His name is written on vesture which is like a coat and on this thigh.
      There is NOTHING to indicate this is a tattoo but written on His pant legs!

      Tattooing the body is paganism and Christians should have nothing to do with it.
      If you have defiled your body with tattoos, please repent of it and ask God to cleanse you a pagan mentality.

      • Janine says:

        I’ve heard people say this is a tattoo before John and was shocked so I did some study! And found…..
        “There are many who read the nineteenth chapter of the Book of Revelation and assume that Jesus the Messiah is going to return to earth with a tattoo on his thigh. (This is people trying to justify their tatoos) This conception is totally invalid and is caused by a complete misunderstanding of who Jesus really is and how He lived.
        The history of tattoos is tightly bound up with that of paganism because the first people to create and receive them were pagans or, at the very least, their ancestors whose shamanistic ways gave birth to paganism. Tattoo is one of the oldest forms of art, right after cave and rock art from prehistoric times.
        Moses wrote, “Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD” (Leviticus 19:28 KJV)
        Clearly God’s instructions teaches us that tattoos are forbidden by Him. In our day, the prohibition against all forms of tattooing regardless of their intent, should be maintained. Tattooing becomes even more distasteful in a contemporary secular society that is constantly challenging the concept that we are created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27) and that our bodies are to be viewed as a precious gift on loan from God (a temple of the Holy Spirit) to be entrusted into our care and are not our personal property to do with as we choose (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). Voluntary tattooing even if not done for idolatrous purposes expresses a negation of this fundamental perspective. (Does not appear Godly to the world)
        THIS IS INTERESTING – When wearing a tzitzit, the tassels hang to the thigh of the person wearing the tzitzit. Obviously then, Jesus will not have a tattoo on His thigh. He may very possibly be wearing a tzitzit (prayer shawl) with a combination of knots, wrappings and embroidering that will contain His title, ”KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.”
        (Am I correct that when Jesus returns He will be riding a white horse, so the tassels would be resting on His thigh).
        Psalm 17:8 says “Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,
        When a Jew covers himself with the Prayer Shawl it is symbolic of one coming under the authority of God and implies a delegated authority.
        And with the ….with regard to the
        WOMEN WITH ISSUE OF BLOOD – FRINGE BENEFITS
        Luke 8:44 “Came behind him, and touched the border (the tzit tzit – she had Faith in the power and authority of the word – the Lord) of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood staunched.
        So with regards to Jesus having a tattoo on His thigh…..
        Proverbs 30:5-6
        Every word of God’s is pure;
        he shields those taking refuge in him.
        (We must be careful not to add anything to His word but study it in context for ourselves). Don’t add anything to his words;
        or he will rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
        I get so mad at the devil deceiving people using the word of God!

      • Janine says:

        Perhaps we would all do well (and I am speaking for muself) to learn a little about the scriptures from a Hebrew context at times – study to show ourselves approved and have an answer in love when people ask us about Jesus coming back with words tattooed in His thighs. To add, I found this….
        “There is a particular way of tying the knots is done by the Ashkenazi Jews, whereas the Sephardic Jews tie the knots in a way that causes them to spell out the Name of YHWH. Each letter of the Hebrew alphabet has a numerical value; consequently, the knots of the tzit-tzit on the four corners of a tallit spell out the name of YHWH/Yahweh. When Yeshua returns as “King of Kings, and Lord of Lords” (Rev. 19:11-13,16), the tzit-tzits of His tallit will fall – where else, but across his thighs when He returns to earth atop a white horse….”

        • JohnMcTernan says:

          I like this, thanks

          • Janine says:

            This is from a Hebrew (Jewish roots) website,- we can learn from each other….. Perhaps this has something to do with the One New Man sid is talking about John?

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            I am soooo leery of the Hebrew Roots.
            I have been battling this now for decades and only see strife and self-righteousness with it.
            Any movement that does not focus on Jesus Christ flee from it.

          • Janine says:

            I know you are. But without the Hebrew perspective I wouldn’t have found this info out! Keeping my focus on the word and on Him, my blessed hope! To Him I flee!

          • Janine says:

            Please don’t misunderstand. I know we need to use discernment, be patient and gentle and love one another and have the word as our final authority and be led by peace with the Holy Spirit our teacher of course!

        • Janine: Thank you so much for this information–how very, very interesting. This will definitely answer those people who claim Jesus had a tattoo! Thanks again!

          Maranatha

          • Janine says:

            Most welcome. I am so tenacious for truth! I have young boys and I want them to know the truth about tatoos amongst other things. Oh to understand the scriptures through the Lords perspective, with His resurrection power and grace! That’s what I want! I listen to many perspectives, then go the word, use discernment as much as possible, and talk with the Holy Spirit about it and trust He will eventually lead me to all truth as He promises. I don’t know all the answers and am open to being wrong and corrected. I want to be always humble and teachable and gentle with others as Jesus is with me. We are all just doing our best as we love and seek Him. Just another truth seeker. All glory to Him! God bless.

  45. Ryan Thomas says:

    Janine,and a few others.What revival are you talking about?The one Sid Roth is talking about is going to happen during the tribulation,and concerns mainly Isreal.The 144,000,the two witnesses,the holy angels will be preaching to them. If you are truly born again,and saved then you will be gone during this time.

    • Nancy says:

      That word revival is something I have concern with, it is no where in the King James Bible and how can you have revival when there is a falling away taking place! I believe that it will be during the tribulation! The way this world is going is proof there is no revival and even in the christian world with the churches in the messes they are! No doubt, God is still saving people but REVIVAL?!

    • Janine says:

      From Sid’s book ‘The Incomplete church’.
      “Messiah Jesus has broken down the middle wall of division between Jew and Gentile. (See Ephesians 2:14.) When the two come together creating One New Man, the glory will increase with healings, miracles, and the greatest harvest of souls in history”…..THIS REVIVAL!
      Any kind of Revival, anytime, anyplace that brings souls into the Kingdom sounds good to me!
      May I ask how you know that the revival Sid is talking about is during the tribulation? – did He personally say that somewhere? Doesn’t really matter anyway. Here or not during the tribulation I’m trusting in Him & Psalm 91. As John says – keep looking for your blessed hope Jesus and keep studying to show your self approved! God Bless

  46. Hom says:

    “There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

    And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. ” From Luke

    From this passage it sounded like it is possible to be righetous before God by walking according to his instruction?

    I think Nathaniel was another figure whom Yeshua said of, “A true Israelite indeed!…” I take it to mean he was a righteous person walking according to all God’s commandments blameless.

    People could be saved before Jesus had to die on the cross. Grace was available from Genesis until the New Covenant. Noah found grace in the eye of the LORD.

    Look like Keith is getting alot of stripes (strips?) on his back.

    I’ve been learning the Hebraic understanding of the Bible over 10 years now. So I can understand the resistance Keith is facing. I’m with you Keith.

    We are saved by the Spirit of the Law but walking out the instructions in the flesh is how I would put it. I believe this was how Zacharias, Elizabet and Nathaniel could be called blameless.

    Another way to put it would be, we are saved by grace but welcoming the blessings by walking out God’s instructions on how to be righteouss before him.

    Hom

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Like said once a person because self-righteous by the law it is very difficult to come out of it.
      If we interact, I am sure you spend all you time on following the law, which makes you self-righteous and
      you will hear me speak all the time about Jesus Christ, and what He did and now I walk and live in His grace.
      The Sabbath is no longer a day but the person of Jesus Christ.
      The Passover is not a day but the person of Jesus Christ.
      Everyday is a Sabbath and Passover to me.
      This is what you will hear from me and not the self-righteous nonsense promoted by the Hebrew Roots error.
      I suggest that you study and live in Galatians as God can use this reach you.

      • keith says:

        John, You’d NEVER pass the Deuteronomy 13 test.

        • JohnMcTernan says:

          I would pass the grace in Jesus test and that is what matters.
          I would pass the Galatians test of not mixing the law with God’s grace and that is what matters.
          I share Jesus and God’s grace with you and inturn you preach the law of Moses.
          The difference between us is crystal clear.

        • sage_brush says:

          Dear Keith,

          The only test Christians need to pass has already been passed for us.

          Imagine the night, long ago in Egypt, when the Angel of Death passed though and killed all the first born males, from the Pharaoh down to the slaves. Then imagine that you are a firstborn, “righteous” Jew, standing OUTSIDE one of the houses with the blood of a spotless lamb applied to the lintels and doorposts.

          Imagine, you, the “right-acting” fellow, standing out side the house, holding up a tablet, engraved with the 1,000’s of good things you had done, and what an effort you had made to follow the One True God of Israel. And, you really had tried hard according to anyone’s standards! Everyone says you are the most godly person they have ever seen!

          What would have happened? Would the Angel of Death have paused, and said – “that guy there – he’s really been obedient. I’ll let him live, even though he’s not covered by the blood.”

          Not a chance. Because – Hebrews 9:22
          And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is NO remission.

          1 Peter 1:18-19

          King James Version (KJV)

          18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

          19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot:

          1 Corinthians 5:6-8

          King James Version (KJV)

          6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

          7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

          8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

          • keith says:

            (Posting deleted)

            Keith, I am not posting anymore of your comments.
            You are getting worse and worse in your error.
            I hear nothing about Jesus but all about you keeping the law.
            You are now self-righteous which I warned would happened.
            I will post when you repent and come back under the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.
            Please do not send anymore comments.

    • Janine says:

      Grrrr! I am so mad at Satan right now! He is a counterfeiter, causes strife, confusion and misunderstanding in God’s people and a liar about the truth of God’s word! Eg, Tattoos on Jesus! WHOA! Come Lord Jesus and may your peace reign!
      The Lord has helped me see things from His perspective regarding the ‘law’! (In Hebrew it means teaching)
      I finally have spiritual understanding and his peace! Praise Him! It is clear in Galatians that if we are led by the Spirit we are not under the law. (That dreaded law of sin and death)! Yes, as John McT said the law is not abolished, but Jesus filled up the law. No longer we live but Christ that lives in us. We walk out HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS by faith loving Him and others as His entire word instructs us. (Old and New Testaments). (I needed to allow Him to speak to me from His entire word, not just the new testament on how to live, with Jesus in my centre) It is no burden, but a blessing. His word is OUR INSTRUCTION BOOK for life and we follow it all as we grow in Him and as the Spirit writes it on our hearts in His perfect way and timing. (I remember how the Spirit & my pastor showed me from the bible how olive oil was good me for instance) May His righteousness is glorified in our lives and the world will know us by our fruit! He is the word, the way, the truth and the life. There is no condemnation for those in Him.
      I recently started to read the Old Testament from a new and renewed covenant perspective. I find that the more I understand the Old Testament the more I understand Jesus. I see Him on every page. He is the whole Word of God and I want to follow Him. God bless.
      ‘Messiah Jesus has broken down the middle wall of division between Jew and Gentile. (See Ephesians 2:14.) The two will come together creating One New Man’

  47. Ryan Thomas says:

    impala mike,if people don’t like Holy Spirit led born again saints of the most high God,it’s because they don’t want to hear the truth.Should we listen to you and shut our mouths,or listen to the Word.Speak the Word in season and out of season,whether they like it or whether they don’t.Maybe someone will hear hear the truth and repent.Faith comes by hearing,and that hearing by the word of God.

  48. Judie says:

    Bro. McTernan,

    Your book, “As American Has Done to Israel,” was given me to read by our Pastor so I could read it during a long trip. Needless to say, I couldn’t put it down until it was completely read. I had been feeling in my spirit that the weather (and tattooing) had spiritual implication(s), but was unsure until I read your book (and your website) as to what those were. Since the book ended after Benghazi, I “GOOGLED” (thank God for Google) your name after Hurricane Sandy hit the east coast, found your website, and never miss checking it out. So many questions have been answered. I thank God for you, the wisdom He has given you, and your boldness. I will remember you in prayer as I know the “heat in your kitchen” has to be extremely hot. I also believe that in the not too far off future, if we truly belong to Jesus Christ, all of our kitchens will be heating up as well.

    2 Timothy 4:8 “Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.”

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      I am so delighted that my books was a such a blessing to you.
      Welcome to my blog and the Comment section.
      God bless you.
      John McTernan

  49. Janine says:

    John, would you have you’re kids in a church where the pastors answers to these questions are…..
    What about a homosexual in the church who keeps falling into homosexual sin….
    ANS: There’s enough grace for that!
    What about tattoos?
    ANS: Personally, I wouldn’t get a tattoo, but I have young people in the church who’ve tattooed my name on themselves. He’s fine with it ….because its fashion, modern culture, harmless etc?

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      No, this pastor lacks the fear of the Lord and courage.
      I could not stay under such a man

      • Janine says:

        Where do you find pastors, denominations etc that have the fear of The Lord and courage these days?
        You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
        15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

  50. Ryan Thomas says:

    Kieth,look at the verses Nancy just posted,especially 8:5.Thank you Nancy!

  51. Brice says:

    1 Cor 6:19 is about sexual immorality not tattoos. It is simply telling us to to honor God with our bodies.

    The root of tattoos is not paganism
    the root of tattoos is art and design.
    Idolatry is the root of paganism

    You can honor or dishonor God with a tattoo.
    the same way you can write a blog online and it honor or dishonor God

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      The root of tattooing is paganism and modern man with tattoos, drugs, rock music, sexual immorality and homosexual is now reverting back to paganism.
      The tattooing is bringing paganism right into the church.

      You are NOT to defile your body as it is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
      The warning appears right after Christians facing judgment for what they did in their body
      1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
      1 Cor 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
      1Co 3:13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
      1Co 3:14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
      1Co 3:15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
      1Co 3:16,17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

      1Cor6 just reinforces with 1Cor3 said that the body is not to be defiled.
      1 Cor 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
      1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
      1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
      1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

      Man is created in God’s image and likeness and tattoos defile this image and reverts backs to paganism.
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness …
      Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

      I see tattooing as reverting back to worshiping the creation as pagans always do. It is a sign that God is turning these people over to a reprobate mind.

      Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
      Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
      Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      • Brice says:

        I really hope you have a good grasp of what the word DEFILE means. Lets take this past tattoos to the things that REALLY defile this gift of a body GOD gave to us.

        Fake sugars, high fructose corn syrup, sitting in front of a computer to long, eating more than we out-put, prescription pills that cover up a problem but not fix it. Staying in the sun too long, bad sleeping habits, diet pills.

        Did I hit one that you did this week?

        All of these hurt and defile our bodies more than tattoos.

        All im saying is your focusing on the wrong problem.
        There are bigger issues in the church rather that getting rid of tattoos. Trying to fight this issue is like putting perfume on a pig. It just doesn’t make sense

        How do you even have time to point out the specks in other peoples eyes when you have a plank in your own eyes?

        • JohnMcTernan says:

          We are talking about tattoos stop the game of trying to cover it other things.
          Tattoos are reverting to paganism and defiling the body.
          There is no excuse for someone getting a tattoo.
          It is a clear act of the will.

          • Brice says:

            no game… it’s called conversation.
            and it isn’t just tattoos. we are talking about things that defile our bodies.

            You also have brought up rock music, homosexuals, drugs, and sexual immorality.

            If you don’t want to answer my question just say so, and i’ll be done with this.

            How do you have time to point out the specks in other peoples eyes when you have a plank in your own eyes?

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Should I nothing to someone living in fornication and claiming to be a Christian?
            You have a strange sense of not judging.
            All that you mentioned above have roots in paganism and should not be in the church.
            Are you trying to justify sin?

          • inhisservice says:

            Brice,
            Consider the following:

            Mark 7:15 (KJV 1611)- There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

            Mark 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

            Mark 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

            Mark 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

            Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

            Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

            Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

            Keep looking up… The King is coming.

          • sage_brush says:

            Awesome. Thank you.

  52. JH says:

    When I read the comments…
    I see some people struggling with Truth.
    As I do, myself. Still.

    I struggle with trying to understand the Word.
    Sometimes “things” block my/our understanding.
    Sometimes no body seems to be able to help
    me/us through things.

    It is at that point that we are going to have
    to depend on the Lord to show us the way.
    I pray for all those who are struggling.

    I pray that God will open my eyes
    and your eyes to the things that
    no one else can seem to help us with.

    We are all on different rungs of the ladder.
    If I have not reached the rung of understanding
    that someone else is on, how am I going to
    understand that upper rung unless someone
    from that rung (in love) teach me… or the
    Lord reveals to me in His Word, Which is far better.

    Some of our goals are:
    To be able to “rest” in Him fully.
    To come to a full understanding of what
    He has done for us.
    To love Him more then life itself.
    To love others more then ourselves.

    I am beginning to believe that I have had
    more head knowledge then heart knowledge.

    When somebody prays a prayer… they
    dont suddenly understand everything
    at that moment. We have all come from differing backgrounds.Which color our
    own mind’s world.

    Lord,
    Open our hearts to the full understanding of
    your love for us. For it is your love that comes
    first before we are able to love you like we
    should. Until we receive and understand your
    love for us, we cannot love you fully.

    Please Father, Let it not be, that I come
    across as a clanging bell.

    Once you understand a truth correctly—
    it will never leave you and you will have
    bread enough to share with others.

    …and sometimes when we get angry, it might be because there is something in God’s Word that we are not understanding correctly.

    Then when the truth is finally revealed to us,
    everything makes sense and we are no
    longer angry because we finally understand.
    (maybe I should say “frustrated”)

    …again Father, when things are as clear
    as mud, show us your way, show us your light,
    show us your love.

    ps. If I have come across self righteous
    several days ago, forgive me, I kind of
    felted trapped with what I had tried to
    express.

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Is this Keith?
      Do not take you eyes off Jesus and His coming for the bride and
      you cannot go wrong.
      Anything that focuses your attention on something else flee from.
      I talk about the coming of the Lord for His bride ALL the time.
      This is were God’s power lies and not in the law.

    • Janine says:

      Be encouraged! His Holy Spirit is the best teacher. He leads us into all truth and we shall know the truth and the truth shall set is free and those that are free are free indeed!
      Have faith in Gods promises! For they are truth! He is not a man that He should lie! He is the way, the truth and the life. I believe if we keep our focus on Him we can’t go
      wrong. Just keep going and keep trusting and keep on believing no matter what! Psalm 91. Peace to you – Shalom!

  53. Nancy says:

    Ryan Thomas

    Your very welcome – glory to God for his holy word!

    Romans eight is my favorite chapter of the Bible!

  54. Gramma Lovey says:

    Nancy regarding #111.Right now in the Middle East there is great revival taking place. Christ is being revealed by dreams and visions and many conversions and miracles are happening. Blood is being shed by Christians just as it was in the early church. Many are giving ALL. At the same time the” Developed” World is going backward and plunging into paganism. England, the Netherlands, Germany, over run by Islam and Sharia Law and just plain outright rejection of God.Our churches are becoming coffee houses for community organizers. aka Community Churches. Full fellowship halls and Empty altars. Prayer meetings are rare and short and more laughing and joking is going on than prayer and intercession. Homosexuality and other perversions are being embraced by the tolerant, loving and not so “JUDGEMENTAL” brand of Christians. Worship is being given over to Hard Rock ,scream the same words over and over so God hears them crowd. (Sometime the worship leader appears to be a Hells Angel Reject! So I really believe (MY OPINION) Revival (renewing) is happening just not so much in the good ol USA. God Help Us and forgive us. Our young people can’t grasp the Work of the Cross and Christ alone. What can wash away my sin? NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS! What can make me whole again? NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS! How Profound!!! Maybe if we Scream it out. maybe… ps this summer in my community church more people showed up to clean up the debry, vomited beer and pizza, at the fairgrounds after the fair than showed up for the last corporate prayer meeting. After all faith without works is dead Right?

    • Nancy says:

      Lovey,
      Nevertheless revival is not in the KJB!
      As far as visions and dreams I will quote a tremendous response from Jeff Grider to someone talking about their visions and dreams, “Make sure your visions and dreams line up with the KING JAMES BIBLE, not the Bible lining up with your dreams”!
      I have heard many times from different christians, visions and dreams are extra biblical, the Bible is all we need!
      When the bleep hits the fan soon here hopefully people will look up and cry out to our Father of mercy as well!

  55. Janine says:

    Anne said – “It’s time to get off the internet and into God’s Word. There’s a storm coming, folks, and only how well we have built ourselves up spiritually will endure it”.
    I’m feeling convicted! My husband says I spend far too much time on this blog! lol. But seriously. Thanks for listening. It’s been challenging and interesting to say the least! God bless you all! Keep seeking and believing! Everything is unfolding just as it should in Gods perfect way and timing! Walk in faith. If we fear something we are saying that thing has more control than God! Satan can only do what God allows for His divine purposes. GOD IS ALWAYS IN CONTROL! As it says on your dollar I believe ‘In God we trust’.
    Just another truth seeker!
    Blessings from Australia John and all.

  56. Ryan Thomas says:

    JH, It’s hard to explain heart knowledge, revelation knowledge to someone else, all we can do is lay it out there and hope it helps others.You did a nice job on your last post though.John is so good at combining it with scripture. Once I had a vision of a woman standing in a field,all she did was stand there.All I did was look at her.I had never seen her before.All of a sudden an overflowing rush of love came over me toward her.6 months latter she moved in next door to me. I loved her before I met her.I started talking to her and her family about The Lord,and helping them a lot for about two years. She was by far the most contentious and ungrateful person I have ever met about everything.The Lord provided many chances for me to show her his love.I could not have stayed with it on my own. It was that extra love from The Lord that enabled me to stick with it.Love to you all!

  57. Janine says:

    John, if comments are not posted without an explanation – atleast by personal email the people could become offended. I understand your heart and position so I’m ok. God bless you as you serve Him!

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Janine, if the posts are to long they will not be read.
      I ask you to put paragraph breaks as it is overwhelming to read the longer ones without them.
      I try and read all the posts and the long ones tie me up.
      If the short ones are not tied to something, I have no idea what it means.
      Just think of this and all your posts will go through

      • Janine says:

        Okay this is a long one! Know anything about this John?Anything to do with the Mark do you think? Is Islamic worship & a tatoo/chip associated with Obamacare?
        Re Dhimmitude – I read……
        Dhimmitude is the muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to islam.
        The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be “gambling”, “risk-taking” and “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I, Ann Barnhardt, a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.
        Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generations X, Y and Z. If you don’t believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. “Sure, I’ll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, bro?”
        If you are a Christian and you acquiesce to this, you will be bending your knee to Islam, and denying Christ. How many of the early Christians went to horrific deaths rather than offer a mere pinch of incense to a statue of Caesar? Every single one of us has a BIG decision to make right now, in this moment. The choice is to either offer a pinch of incense to islam and Marxism, or take up our cross and follow Christ. I’ve made my decision. I choose Christ. I choose the Cross.
        This is desperately important and people need to know about it – quickly.
        The above is making its way around the internet emails like greased lightning. I checked at snopes and it is classified as “undetermined” as of this moment. The reason is there are going to be some religious exemptions included, but exactly who and how it will be determined is still on the drawing board. I know the Amish have certain exemptions within Social Security, but will Muslims be allowed to opt out of Obamacare under their religion? Nobody knows that part yet. Because the final plan won’t go into effect until 2014 we may have a while to see how this part is handled.
        http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exempt

        • JohnMcTernan says:

          This is great change from mixing the law of Moses with the grace of God in the New Covenant.

          • Janine says:

            I don’t understand where you are coming from with this? Glad for a change of subject perhaps? His grace is everything – how do people Mix these? Am I misunderstanding you here; are you directing this at me and saying I’M mixing the law of Moses with the grace of God in the new covenant? I thought this was a great revelation I had? – Praise Him! ….The Lord has helped me see things from His perspective regarding the ‘law’! I finally have spiritual understanding and his peace! Praise Him! It is clear in Galatians that if we are led by the Spirit we are not under the law. (That dreaded law of sin and death)! As You said John said the law is not abolished, but Jesus filled up the law. No longer we live but Christ that lives in us. We walk out HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS by faith loving Him and others as His entire word instructs us. (Old and New Testaments). (I needed to allow Him to speak to me from His entire word, not just the new testament on how to live, with Jesus in my centre) It is no burden, but a blessing. His word is our instruction book for life and we follow it all as we grow in Him and as the Spirit writes it on our hearts in His perfect way and timing. (I remember how the Spirit & my pastor showed me from the bible how olive oil was good me for instance) May His righteousness is glorified in our lives and the world will know us by our fruit! He is the word, the way, the truth and the life. There is no condemnation for those in Him. I recently started to read the Old Testament from a new and renewed covenant perspective. I find that the more I understand the Old Testament the more I understand Jesus. I see Him on every page. He is the whole Word of God and I want to follow Him. God Bless

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            I think you have the making of someone who really understands the New Covenant!

          • Janine says:

            It is very clear in Romans.
            Rom 7:6: “But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

          • Janine says:

            If this is directed at me and telling me that this post is a great change from my posts (which are? BTW) of mixing law and grace then I am very disappointed and feel like I cannot trust you any longer because you said to me “My heart actually leaped for joy as I read it that you clearly understand the work of the Lord Jesus.This cheered me up from all gloom around me here in America. My battle with the Hebrew roots has been for decades and sometimes gets draining as it appears to be like fighting the tide!It does make me weary, but your email makes it all worth it” All forgiven, and hopefully I misunderstood where you were coming from! i am still seeking truth with His word as my final authority, looking for my blessed Lord of grace and mercy! God Bless

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            I am not directing anything against you.
            You understand the New Covenant

          • Janine says:

            Ok. Best to clear things up! Thanks.

      • Janine says:

        John, I just found this to test. Someone wrote…
        Obamacare : “RFID Chip Implants” Mandatory for All by March 23, 2013. True?????? (I wonder if Dhimmitude or Islamic or pagan worship will be attached somehow?)
        Now,the US government is actually backing off of the “Mandatory ” part Lately but , here is the thing . If you dont have the Chip installed by the time it goes mainstream, Fully Mainstream Which from what i read and see it will be fully implemented in a few years , 2015 at the latest .
        1). Money will be Obsolete .
        2). You will NOT have a way of paying for anything without the ” Chip ” .( food , toys , gifts , gasoline etc)
        3). Most insurance companies have already came out it said that anyone without the Chip will NOT be able to get any kind of Health-care once it goes mainstream .
        4). You will not be able to be employed anywhere . Because over a short period of time the Government will force all companies to go to ” The Chip ” (or tattooed chip) for Numerous reasons or face harsh penalties.
        As of right now there are a lot of reasons to use the RFID Chip Implants . such as its Cheaper and a faster way to get your money and spend your money versus the old cash way . Its also safer because nobody can rob you . There are more a lot more reason’s .
        Here’s the kicker , RFID Chip Implants ca be updated like a computer without you ever knowing .
        RFID Chip Implants can track your every move and even send out info as to what you have been doing that day or that year .
        RFID Chip Implants can send your private information such as Cholesterol level , sugar level or health level instantly once its up and running fully . probably by 2016

      • Janine says:

        John, I appreciate your answer but sometimes you don’t answer my questions so I have to google. I found this from Edward Payson (Heard of him?) – Edward Payson (1783-1827), American Congregational preacher – Methodist episcopal church. “Walking in all God’s commandments and ordinances blamelessly, implies great diligence in seeking a knowledge of them. No man can regulate his conduct by a rule, with which he is unacquainted. No man can walk in all God’s commandments and ordinances, unless he knows what they are; nor can any man know what they are, unless he is familiarly acquainted with the Scriptures. As well might a mariner find his way to a distant port, without ever looking to his chart or compass. And the commands and ordinances of God are so numerous, that without daily and long continued attention, we shall certainly forget or overlook some of them; shall never obtain such a clear, systematic view of our duty, as is necessary to its performance. That copy of the Old Testament, which Zacharias and Elizabeth possessed, was doubtless worn with frequent use. It must have been their daily counsellor and guide.
        “Edward Payson was just such a man; a man mighty in prayer. “He prayed without ceasing and felt safe nowhere but at the throne of grace. He may be said to have studied theology on his knees. Much of his time he spent literally prostrated with his Bible open before him pleading the promise; “I will send the comforter and when He, The Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth.” Payson’s advice to his fellow ministers was, “prayer is the first thing, the second thing and the third thing necessary to a minister. Pray then my dear brother, pray, pray.” It has been well said that the secret of Edward Payson’s ministry was that he prayed much in secret. The scars on his bedroom floor testify to this fact. Next to Payson’s bed where deep grooves in the hardwood floor were his knees had pressed repeatedly in times of travail”

  58. Janine says:

    No, the long ones you seem to post like….. The ones regarding the tattoos. (That was my longest one) The short ones don’t seem to get posted like….
    And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. ” From Luke
    I’ve been contemplating this verse lately! – I posted that and it disappeared! Why?
    What’s you’re perspective on this verse then John?

  59. Janine says:

    I really must get off this blog. It’s addictive for me. lol. I confess! I came off Facebook for the same reason! Convicted again….. Sage wrote….to be discreet, chaste, busy at home, good, obedient to their husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed’ Titus 2. Now I must get off this blog as my husband said (I need God’s grace to do it – please pray) & be obedient to my husband. And I need to be busy at home cause he built me a house with 5 bathrooms. lol. But it sure is an interesting blog. Anyone could have found the info on the tattoos & prayer shawls…. Just pray, meditate on the word and google with discernment! Thanks everyone! Keep seeking!

    • sage_brush says:

      Dear Janine,

      I would like to clarify what you misquoted from Titus 2. Only in the NIV (New Age Bible) does it say for women to be “busy at home.” The correct rendering in the KJV is “keepers at home.” An entirely different meaning.

      Please do me the honor of reading an article I wrote for another blog. I no longer write for that blog, and most of the work I did was trashed ( about 400 articles!) because the owner got very, very angry with me for the oldest fight in the world – religion vs. salvation.

      A very few of my posts are still archived there – and I think you might appreciate this one.

      http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/hints-for-home-schoolers-being-a-keeper-at-home/

      Titus 2 is just one instance where the original intent has been corrupted, and this one has harmed women and their families.

      • Janine says:

        Looks good! I know for me personally that God has called me to be a homemaker. It’s different for everyone I understand. I have a large home that God uses for hospitality like He did Martha’s in the word. I couldn’t think of anything I’d love to do more and find so fulfilling! Thank you!

  60. Ryan Thomas says:

    Janine, Hi. Just so know,I really like Sid Roth he is very gifted, done lots of good things,a very good preacher. I even helped fund the distribution of his book,(they thought for themselves) to Jews. Having said that,be careful not to confuse Daniels 70th week that’s during the trib. With Ephesians 2:14,which has already been done. The one new man is already available by becoming part of the body of Christ. Also,when we are born again that’s when all spiritual blessings are given Ephesians 1:3. The Lord loves you!

  61. Ryan Thomas says:

    Hom:Do you want to be part of the bride of Christ?You cannot go back and be an Old Testament saint.Ephesians 2:15

  62. Nancy says:

    Obama Administration: We Can & Will Force Christians to Act Against Their Faith

  63. Nancy says:

    This is a paragraph from that article of the headline I just put up, I was shakened by the headline but it is about Hobby Lobby and the whole article where I read it is at
    swrc.com. The owners really need our prayers!

    The second argument the administration makes to justify forcing Christians to act against their faith is more sweeping. Here the administration argues it can force a person to act against his religion so long as the coercion is done under the authority of a law that is neutral and generally applicable—in other words, as long as the law was not written specifically to persecute Christians as Christians, the government can use that law to persecute Christians.

  64. Carol M says:

    I’ve just “dredged” through 163 backs and forths on this. Hard to believe but I have to classify myself as an elderly lady who is a great believer in . . . If God’s Word says do it . . . you should do it and if His Word says don’t do it . . . you don’t (shouldn’t) do it and leaning on Him will either enable us or gain His forgiveness (when we ask it in Jesus Name) when we fall short of His perfect will for us.
    Thanking God for you John . . .

    God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
    1 Corinthians 1:9

  65. Gramma Lovey says:

    Acts 2:17

    King James Version (KJV)

    17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    Apparently they are strong enough visions and dreams to cause muslims to convert! My husband had a Supernatural conversion and 39 yrs later he is still an strong and devoted follower of Christ.

    • Nancy says:

      G. Lovey

      I do believe what is in the King James Bible but it is absolutely astounding how some can explain away what is there black on white even some who are in the KJB!

      I will read God’s perfect word and let the Holy Spirit teach me and I do not want to argue with anyone about His perfect Word!!!

  66. Gramma Lovey says:

    Nancy neither is Trinity or Rapture!

  67. When the Pharisees asked Jesus which is the great commandment in the law, Jesus says to love God with our all and then to love one another.
    “Matthew 22: 35-40 35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
    Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
    Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    This is the first and great commandment.
    And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

    So maybe that should be our focus.

  68. Janine says:

    John 18:37
    Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”
    Jesus answered, “ You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

  69. Henry says:

    Hi John
    I know you must be busy, but you actually didn’t answer my last question.
    This may seem pointed and it kind of is, but I would be gratefull if you would answer as succinctly as you can.
    Question: I would imagine you believe that lying is wrong and against the word of God. Would you call it being OBEDIENT to Gods command when you do not lie?
    Thanks

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      My identity is Jesus Christ.
      He is my Savior and made a blood covenant with me.
      He is my Sabbath rest, everyday.
      He is my Passover, everyday.
      He is my Yom Kippur, everyday.

    • Janine says:

      I saw this some time ago now! His word is my authority!
      ‘No longer I that live but CHRIST that lives in me’
      WE ARE HIS BELOVED ‘ISRAEL’ – HIS BRIDE – IN CHRIST!
      HIS SHEEP KNOW WHO THEY BELONG TO, WHO THEY ARE AND THEY KNOW HIS VOICE!
      Matthew 10:5-7
      These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
      HEAR OH ‘ISRAEL’…..that’s to His lost sheep!
      Mark 12:29-31
      And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O ISRAEL The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
      This is what the word (not man) said to me personally anyway! God Bless!

  70. Nancy says:

    John McTernan,
    God Bless you and your loved ones richly in 2013!!

    I’m most grateful for your continual reminder of the Blessed Hope and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ!!!
    I admire your gentleness and patients with people here and on BTR!
    You and your loved ones will continue to be in my prayers!

  71. Mr. Clean says:

    The Spirit of the Lord is in the law and the law is good; yet the law is “for the unrighteous and ungodly”.

    1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
    1Ti 1:9-10 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

    Yet the end of the law is love … of a “stony heart made heart of flesh by the God of all flesh. And we know by what power, what Spirit works a “pure heart”.

    1Ti 1:5-6 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: (6) From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

    “Vain jangling”: self-righteous babbling.

    I see no controversy between the law and grace or mercy because all is of one Spirit and that is of Christ.

    1Ti 1:14-15 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
    (15) This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

    If you can receive it, grace and the law meet midway… of one Spirit. Approximately midway, the Bible’s longest chapter, Psalm 119, too long for an already long post but ends this way, all the Lord’s way. All about Him and all possible, hearts, broken hearts made right… by His Spirit.

    Psa 119:172-176 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. (173) Let thine hand [Christ Himself; His Spirit, `right hand’ – our helper] help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.

    (174) I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight. (175) Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me.

    (176) I have gone astray like a lost sheep [all fall short]; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

    All is made right, righteous in Christ… of conscience and “pure hearts” too by working of His Spirit: until “day of perfection”.

    The law is good and mercy so much better… all made perfect in Christ, our Lord and Savior, the Word made flesh.

    • sage_brush says:

      Mr. Clean – I like what you have written – but the problem lies in the worldview and mindset of some of the self righteous Christians today. It is the “idea,” in a person’s mind, that they are capable of keeping the law, and that their keeping even a portion of it counts for something. Paul, loathed his own flesh, because of his failures.

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+7&version=KJV

      Today’s New Evangelicals are more in line with the Mormon mantra – “We do our best – Jesus does the rest.” Good grief!

      What happens after we are saved ( if it is true conversion) is the Holy Spirit of God dwells within us. Then, and only then, can any of our works be considered to be anything other than a filthy rag. But then, they are not our works – they are HIS! Because of Jesus Christ – when God looks at us – YHWH does not see us – He sees Jesus Christ, our only intermediary, Savior, and covering.

      We can not keep the Law, because if we break even one, (there are over 600 ) we have broken all of them – only He can keep it – He that dwells within us.

      Jesus Christ IS the Law personified!

      Jesus Christ IS the Sabbath personified!

      Jesus Christ IS the Passover personified!

      I could go on and on. 🙂

      James 2:10

      For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

      • Mr. Clean says:

        Thanks and God bless you Mary.

      • Mr. Clean says:

        Sage brush… thank you.

        The “but” reservation acknowledged, however we, born of the Spirit, are not of the “worldview and mindset”, but the renewing of our mind in holiness by His Spirit.

        Eph 4:22-24 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; (23) And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; (24) And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

        Our righteousness is of Christ and what He did, finished upon the cross. There is a willingness here, born of the Spirit to be holy for He is holy.

        And the law is good, of His Spirit and serving of His purpose: that in the consummation of time “… this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

        So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. (1Co 15:53-54)

        (1Co 15:52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

        The “day of perfection” is coming, but not here. A willingness now… to “do right”; to be holy for He is holy, this “sanctification” process.

        All by His Spirit, a heart made right and someday perfected… by His Spirit.

        In a moment…

        Maranatha!

        • sage_brush says:

          Mr. Clean – when we speak of keeping the Law, we are not speaking of a desire to “do right.” Everyone needs to understand in their heart of hearts – that they are exceedingly sinful.

          When a believer decides to “obey the Law’ he/she must make a decision to spend hours and hours memorizing OT Law (over 600 of them) and then begin to put them into action. (eliminating the “difficult ones”)

          The problem is that when a Christian does this – they spend time thinking about themselves and their self perceived righteousness. Is that what Christians were commanded to do?

          Romans 1:16-18

          King James Version (KJV)

          16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

          17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

          18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

          We are to live by faith – not works. Even the lost can do what is “right” by the Law – so what effect is it? Other than to give sheeple a sense of self righteousness. We are to sow the seeds of the Gospel of Jesus Christ – which is Life and Light. We do not sow the Law – which is Death.

          Here are 13 Scriptures proving that the Law is dead.

          http://www.jaysnell.org/asgeletters/thirteenscriptures.htm

          • Mr. Clean says:

            We know by what power and what Spirit works a “pure heart”.

            1Ti 1:5-6 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: (6) From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

            Lord keep us all from “vain jangling” and give us “right hearts”, by faith… and the work all by your Spiritunto unto the day of perfection.

            Psa 51:10-13 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. (11) Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. (12) Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit. (13) Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

            Psa 51:16-17 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. (17) The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

            Isa 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

            Lord give us such right heart… of your Spirit.

            Ps 15:1-2 LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill? (2) He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.

            All by His Spirit: “… not by might, nor by power but by my Spirit saith the Lord of hosts”. (Zec 4:6)

            Praising not the law here, but its Author who working all things in to perfection in Him.

    • Mary E. says:

      Thank you,Mr.Clean. You are a man who loves Gods word and it shows,in the comment section and radio chatroom.
      Shalom!

    • inhisservice says:

      Mr Clean,

      You seem to have overlooked the following:

      (KJV 1611)

      1Timothy Chapter 1:9 – Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

      1Timothy Chapter 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

      Also consider the following:

      Gal 5:4 – Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

      Gal 5:18 – But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

      Keep looking up … the King is coming..

      • Mr. Clean says:

        Overlooked… how so?

        1 Tim 9-10 is quoted and Galatians is not overlooked. Nor is the whole of God’s word though not quoted.

        • inhisservice says:

          Here is a quote from above … “If you can receive it, grace and the law meet midway… of one Spirit.”

          The Bible just does not support that concept about meeting midway. Biblical teaching clearly indicates we are no longer under “the law”, but saved by “grace through Jesus Christ” (“1Ti 1:9-10 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man….”).

          However, if there is scripture that supports your previous statement, please provide a specific reference.

          Keep looking up… the King is coming.

          • Mr. Clean says:

            Read Psalm 119 prayerfully. All of it; here, you may receive this, maybe not.

            This is an “argument” of emphasis between God’s law and His grace and mercy.

            This Psalm of David, a “man after God own heart” reflects the desire of fulfilling God’s perfect commands by man’s imperfect flesh.

            It is resolved by grace and God’s mercy in the coming of Jesus Christ and His finished work, changing us daily unto the “day of perfection”.

            We can “do” vain attempts at righteousness and good works, but God always watches the motivations… matters of the heart.

            Works and the law can be done by any motivation, but the end of the law is a changed heart operating in the power of God’s love by His Holy Spirit.

            Love always fulfills the letter of the commandments by a right, humble heart. And the greatest of commandment is love… by His Spirit. Not self righteousness but His righteousness and the law drives us to repentance to hear the Father’s call to salvation; to Jesus the Son, Son of Man, Son of God, the Word made flesh who desires and works those commandments to be written in our hearts. Captives made free. This Psalm speaks of our common falleness and also the desire to be be made righteous in Him by His finished work, one day to be completed, in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye… we shall be transformed, perfected by Him, our Lord and Shepherd.

            Psa 119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

          • Mr. Clean says:

            The comment referenced “grace and the law meet midway… of one Spirit” is that Ps 119 is found PHYSICALLY mid-way (approximately) within the whole of the Bible.

            Spiritually, the issue is thematic and central from Genesis’ Chapter 4 controversy of what pleases the Lord and what is acceptable (concerning Cain and Able’s offerings) to David’s hope for salvation recorded in Ps 119:173 that “… thine thine hand [Christ Himself] help me; for I have chosen thy precepts. (174) I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight. (175) Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me.

            Looking up with you. The King is coming… soon.

            Maranatha!

          • inhisservice says:

            Sorry, but you are still mixing “law” and “grace” and it is still not “biblical.”.

            However, at this point, we will have to agree to disagree on this issue.

            Keep looking up,.. the King is coming.

          • Mr. Clean says:

            Tom inhisservice… you are not fully reading, receiving what is written and discussed and you in fact are creating vain argument.

            Where have I “mixed” law and grace?

            For that matter, again, how is it so? Your assertion verses were “overlooked”. You began by quoting the EXACT same verses I cited (1 Tim 1:9-10). [Your comment # 257]

            I also included verse 8, prefacing all with observation “The Spirit of the Lord is in the law and the law is good; yet the law is “for the unrighteous and ungodly” with 1 Ti 1:8 fully quoted “But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; (Check record: my original comment # 250; you at #257)

            John McTernan fully quoted and vigorously discussed Galatians. Not “overlooked” but unnecessary to repeat.

            Perhaps not perfectly worded, but your follow on challenge (# 259) of “If you can receive it, grace and the law meet midway… of one Spirit”, was answered, elaborated upon in comments # 260 & 261. This you do not receive it…

            However, God is Spirit and the same Spirit that wrote the law pointing toward Christ is also Author and Provider of grace, salvation and perfecting of His saints… by His Spirit.

            I have been clear on this and am not in disagreement, especially with John McTernan, all discussed, incorporated in comments and Scriptures I’ve posted.

          • Mr. Clean says:

            I see King David agonizing, wanting to keep the law, but frustrated in the corruptness of his flesh. Praising, desiring to keep the law yet looking forward and “longing for salvation” (Ps 119:174). The struggle is played out throughout the Bible and much in play in Psalm 119. If one can receive it… which is how I prefaced the thought.

            The cross examination ensued, answers given the inquisitor but not received as I am labeled publicly as “still mixing law and grace”. But where I have done so here or ever there is no evidence.

            Those involved with this ministry, following comments and blog radio KNOW
            this to be true.

  72. Julia says:

    WOW I think I’ve just been viewing the best blog ever written next to the best book ever written(The Bible).John you truly in the spirit of God are so able to answer right on against the fiery darts of the devil.I know 2 Timothy 2V 23 was the best answer for Henry.But foolish and unlearned questions avoid,knowing that they do gender strife.Jesus was a very peaceful man as is John.Come on Henry of course not lying and everything else thats written we should not do in the body of christ applies.Great Ministry John!!! and I pray Gods grace continues to cover it.
    Julia

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Thanks for the nice comment.
      My ministry is called Defend and Proclaim the Faith.
      The attack on the faith comes from every direction possible.
      Right now, it is the Hebrew Roots error, which wants to rip us away from the grace that is in the Lord Jesus.
      As God gives me grace, I will defend the faith from all error.

  73. sage_brush says:

    Here is a great study on the New Calvinism, or Missional works based church movement. It is also known as Emergent, Purpose Driven, and New Evangelical. (I do not agree with the author’s use of Matthew 25 in reference to the church, but valuable lessons can be extracted from it all the same.)

    I will only add – that this is a tentacle of the many legged creature known as the Unholy Roman Empire – the source of ecumenism.

    http://urbantruthnetwork.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/test-all-things-pt-4-being-missional/?year=2013&monthnum=01&day=01&like=1&_wpnonce=17a212d052

  74. John: It is so hard for me be believe that another year has passed and here we are near the end of the first day of 2013 already! Your ministry has been such a blessing to me the past few years. May God bless you and your family and gude and protect you as you continue to “contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints”.

    Maranatha!

  75. Pamela says:

    2 Corinthians 3

    11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

    12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

    13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

    14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

    15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

    16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

    17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

    18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

    I pray for the acceleration of the body of Christ being changed into His image and His likeness.

    Thank you John for your tremendous dedication and sacrifice of time and energy into creating such a well of richness of news and information. A platform for the remarking of today’s events and the evolving prophetic plan of God before our eyes. May God richly bless you above all that you are able to envision, ask or think.
    Amen.
    Pamela

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Pamela,
      I am so delighted that my ministry is such a blessing to you.
      I want everyone equipped to defend and proclaim the faith.
      The best way to do that, which I found, is against live opposition.
      The truth and error become very glaring, when both are exposed.

      Right now, the Hebrew Roots is main opposition to the truth of the New Covenant.
      Once you see the basis of it is self-righteousness, it is easy to defend against it.
      You must always bring them back to the person of the Lord Jesus and make them face their self-righteousness.
      The ones that are controlled by a religious spirit will get harder and harder against God’s grace.
      The people who are confused will come out it and come under God’s grace.

      It is so awful to be sealed into self-righteousness that the mere thought of it is frightening to me.
      The deeper they go into Hebrew Roots the more self-righteous they become.
      The Hebrew Roots is a way to test a person’s heart.

  76. Pamela says:

    Yes, there are some well-meaning Chrisitans I know who are dedicated to the Feasts and Old Testament teachings. I tried to keep up with it but became heavy hearted and burdened at the prospect of the continuous stress. I read on your blog a scripture that releases us from the weight of keep all those things going. The minute I recieved that scripture the burden and stress was immediately lifted and I am grateful for freedom in Christ.

    I am at the same time grateful to hear about the teachings and traditions of the Old Testament in that they always are illustrating and pointing prophetically to Jesus Christ our Messiah and coming King. It has been enriching to be taught about the traditions that by His life, crucifixtion and resurrection have been fulfilled.

    Blessings and peace,
    Pamela

  77. Janine says:

    I hear what you’re saying John and BTW if you can’t post my looooong posts I understand. (Perhaps I should have emailed them – sorry). Do you agree that some MessianIc churches (Like Sid Roths) are ok – especially for Jews coming to the faith, (with Jesus as their focus, and the new covenant? And some not, because of self righteousness? Or do you believe people (including the Jewish) should stay clear of all Messianic/Hebrew roots teaching and churches. We also need to be weary of some Christian churches today that lack courage and the fear of The Lord and preach a counterfeit grace message! We need discernment! There is good and not so good christian teaching also. Both christians and Messianics who have the fear of The Lord, Jesus at their centre and understand the new covenant can learn things from each other would you agree? (Like the words on Jesus’ thigh when He returns) His word is our authority and His Holy Spirit our best teacher all the same. Thanks

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      You can email me it would be best.
      The Hebrew roots which believe in Saturday sabbath because of the law are dangerous.
      They are self-righteous and need to separate from Sunday Christians which to them are following paganism.
      These are divisive people who do not have clue about the Lord being our Sabbath rest.
      I have seen any blessing from the real Hebrew Roots people only divisiveness and self-righteousness.

    • sage_brush says:

      Janine – you didn’t ask me, but I have advised my students to steer clear of Sid Roth. He is of the charismatic persuasion, and is very attracted to extra-Biblical visions, prophesies, and faith healings. The title of his show – “It’s Supernatural,” is enough to inform us what Sid’s focus is. Paul clearly stated that the “Gifts” of the early church passed away – once the Bible was complete. This fascination with “Spiritualism” is evident that Sid and others like him are not satisfied with the sufficiency of Jesus Christ, or His Perfect Word.

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians+13&version=KJV

      I heartily recommend this DVD to anyone interested in the occult that has overtaken the church. “Wide is the Gate.”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0JEODSz2lk

      • JohnMcTernan says:

        I totally disagree that the gifts passed away with the apostles.
        Satan can counterfeit so everything has to be tested.
        But the gifts are in operation today.
        If one thinks they passed away then they will never see the gift, like healing. in operation as unbelief will block it.

        • Mary E. says:

          Thanks for your answer,John…I agree. As one who is spirit-filled or charismatic,one of the gifts that God has given is discernment. If we are really walking close to the Lord,this allows us to see what is of God and what is not. I am always puzzled by those who deny the gifts. In my mind,if they are gone,then what part does the Holy Spirit play in our lives? How are we to walk in His power without the Helper that Jesus said would come? These are rhetorical questions that I never get answers from those that deny the gifts.

        • sage_brush says:

          Do you know anyone that has had an actual unknown tongue emerge? I’ve attended some charismatic meetings – it is nothing but babbling. Very often the same syllable is said over and over. More like chanting. My many missionary friends have slaved away for years learning Portuguese, or Russian, or Korean. Believe me when I say they prayed for the gift of tongues.

          I have seen the Holy Spirit heal many very sick people – but a charismatic was no where around. No on laid on hands. It was the power of prayer. The Holy Spirit is in every true believer now – through the Word of God.

          One example – a young homosexual man I know was instantly delivered from that heinous sin when he got saved. I mean – instantly. Another woman I know tried to quit smoking for 30 years – and was instantly delivered from addiction at the moment of salvation.

          I would completely believe that the charismatic gifts were still in operation in an area where the Bible was not available, just as it was to the apostles – whose immediate followers received the Holy Ghost when Paul laid hands on them.” And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.” Acts 19:6.

          During the Tribulation – the 144,000 sons of Israel will be like 144.000 Pauls running around, and very likely complete with tongues, healings, prophesying etc. They will evangelize the whole world far better than the church has done, although I do not believe the church will be here to see that.

          • JohnMcTernan says:

            Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
            Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
            Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
            Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

            Going into all the world to preach the gospel has not ended.
            Baptism has not ended.
            Cast out devils has not ended.
            Speaking with new tongues is a new language and not babbling. God can still use this when needed to promote the gospel.
            Taking up serpents is in connection with promoting the gospel that snakes cannot stop you.
            Laying hands on the sick has not ended.
            It will end for those who don’t believe this verse.

  78. Janine says:

    ‘Hebrew Roots’ must be an American term? (I have only heard through Americans – like on here). We don’t have ‘Hebrew Roots’ congregations in Australia i believe. We have Messianic though! Ar they the same thing?

  79. Janine says:

    Is Hebrew Roots the same as Messianic: Sid Roth is a Messianic! I am assuming Jewish people who find Cbrist go to Messianic churches. Are christians starting to believe what they believe…… And calling it Hebrew Roots?
    What do you think of the Messianic doctrine John? Do you think there is a need for Messianic churches at all?
    http://christianity.about.com/od/messianicjewishmovement/a/Messianic-Jews-Beliefs-And-Practices.htm

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      I have found it all divisive and separates believers for no reason.
      I have found that anyone who believes they must keep the Sabbath according to the law is either self-righteousness or heading that way.
      At first, I tried to get along with them but then found there was nothing but strife, and according to them, I was following pagan Rome.
      So when you come across Hebrew Roots people, make the test to see if they are Christ-righteous or self-righteous.

  80. JohnMcTernan says:

    Anne,
    I do not have time to look at these.
    Through the years I have spoken with many Messianic rabbis and untold numbers of believers.
    I am sure that there are a few that are solid, but the vast overwhelming numbers are self-righteous and not Christ-righteous.
    The Sabbath is a huge dividing issue with those that are self-righteous.
    They believe Sunday worship comes from paganism, when in reality Jesus Christ is the Sabbath.
    He is our Sabbath rest.
    I don’t see the Hebrew roots people winning souls to the Lord Jesus, I see them winning convert Christians to Hebrew roots.
    I say this in the large overall general sense. Probably the deeper they go into Hebrew roots the less souls they win.
    I say this after decades of going head-to-head with them.

  81. David M says:

    If it’s a sin to pierce the skin, poor Jesus died for nothing. :/

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      Jesus did not die on the cross so we could live like pagans.

      • David M says:

        I understand that, but do you really think that you are completely free from living like a “pagan”? There is so much emphasis on the Law here, when the New Testament is clear that there is no righteousness or life that comes from trying to live the law, but grace and truth entered through Jesus. It’s up to you to decide which standard you want to try to live up to.

  82. Janine says:

    It is my understanding that you can copy and paste, but it must be quoted and not written as your own. (This is fairly standard with copywriter laws). Like when writing essays at Uni – everything must be quoted or its plagiarism.

  83. Maryellen says:

    Solomon Stoddard (1643 – 1729) wrote a wonderful treatise on the subject of faith vs works in, The Safety of Appearing on the Day of Judgment in the Righteousness of Christ. Unfortunately it is no longer being published, but used copies can be found. Around the time that I was working (John 6:28,29) to venture upon Christ, I was involved in a house church pastored by a Sabbath and feast keeping Jewish Christian who was for years a member of the Worldwide Church of God. It was hard, seeking to come to Christ, this way. Then the aforementioned book was republished by Soli Deo Gloria Publishing around that time (1996 – 97) and God brought it into my hands and used it to bring me to freedom in Christ!
    What joy! Through faith, the fruit of the Spirit follows.

    John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

    John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

  84. Vicki says:

    I quit this forum for now. I have shared my heart and it has fallen on deaf ears and that’s okay. I trust that the Fathers will be done. I do not see the point in going around the same circles again and again.
    Please watch the videos I have posted. They have put in video what I have said and more than I can possibly say here.
    I love the Lord, I love His perfect and just commandments and I love my brothers and sisters in Christ. I pray that the Father will soften your stubborn hearts and minds that you may understand the fullness of His WORD – JESUS the walking talking Torah (teaching and instruction) made flesh, who dwelt among us and died in order to be in covenant with all of you and me. He is our example and His law is not to a burden. Millions of we fellow believers all over the world have come to understand ALL HIS WORD COUNTS
    These are the Days of Elijah, we are declaring the WORD of the Lord!
    I for one, proclaim that the Law of the YHVH stands and His Feasts stand and His Sabbath stands and will forever.

    • JohnMcTernan says:

      You still do not have a clue that the Lord Jesus is the Sabbath and not a day.
      You are now a long way down the road to self-righteousness, very sad.
      The deeper you get into this movement, the further away to go from the Lord Jesus and His grace.

  85. (Comment deleted by Admin)

    Let’s start all over again.
    If you want me to answer you, I need a question or two and not a big long list.
    I also request that you refrain form you hostile sneering mode.
    I will delete all personal attacks against me or anyone else.
    Your attitude does not help you promote your cause.

    John McTernan

  86. Tom says:

    The perveyors of legalism e.g., Hebrew Roots movement, et. al., who have posted on this comment section were easily rebuffed because their arguments were based on fallacies of relevance on which they omit something needed to sustain their own position.

    They choose to ignore or dismiss a position ad lapidem because it fails to conform to their pre-conceived opinion. By refusing to consider irrefutable fact or anything that is relevant or sound they choose to continue in ignorance.

    By deliberately mis-representing another’s position they engage in a straw-man argument in an effort to deflect from the real topic and their own weak stance.
    When cross-examined through Socratic inquiry, they shift the burden of proof back on to the questioner. In the end they are unable to clarify their position and when backed into a corner by using their own words against them they lash out Hominem with abusive language or they become an intolerable nuisance ad baculum until their comments are finally shut-down.

    As Christians we can and should be amicable in the public arena and engage in civil discourse, but there is a time when one must be prepared and willing to “Defend and Proclaim the Faith”

    In His Service,
    Tom

  87. Janine says:

    HOW TO TEST MESSIANIC/HEBREW ROOTS MINISTRIES
    http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Messianic/messianic.html
    Not a long read!
    Something to be mindful of and have up your sleeve John as you serve Him as you do!
    Mighty defender of the faith!
    Must be on my way!
    Just another truth seeker.
    Blessings from Australia

  88. me says:

    But, the Pagans also shave themselves. They shave their faces, legs, arms, etc. (Leviticus 21:5)

    (1 Corinthians 11:6) You will read further and understand that long hair was considered a covering for women back then.

    Shaved hair was saved for prostitutes, because prostitutes were forced to shave it. If a woman had short hair back than, she would have been mistaken as a prostitute with hair growing back. That is why women were supposed to let their hair grow long and be a ‘covering’.

    • Mary E. says:

      And your point is?………

      • me says:

        Uhm… my point is merely to suggest that piercings and tattoos are not the only thing that we do to our bodies that are associated with paganism. The article was bashing tattoos and a lot of the comments here were bashing pagan’s when probably 100% of the people who commented probably shave their bodies as well. I thought I’d throw in my 2 cents like everyone else. If we truly want to steer clear of anything pagan that God demands us to stay away from… then we should listen, learn and finally, repent.

        The pagans did in ancient times what they do even more today — like celebrating Christmas, Easter/Eostre (the god of fertility), Valentines Day (remembering the goddess of love, Aphrodite and her son, Cupid), Halloween (All Hallow’s Eve).

        Even God warns us of “decorating the cedar tree with silver and gold…” (Jeremiah 10) thousands of years before Christ was even born! These so called Christian holidays are severely pagan and have absolutely nothing to do with the Messiah of Israel who never once celebrated them and never wanted us to do so either.

        Do some research and find out for yourselves. You will learn a whole lot if you didn’t just listen to mortal men who know nothing of what they talk about.

        Ignorance truly is bliss — but, the word of God stands forever.

        • JohnMcTernan says:

          After reading this, I appears that you are trying to justify tattoos by pointing to Christmas!
          Why not make tattooing stand on its own.
          It defiles the body which is in God’s image.
          It shows a pagan attitude by marring the body and in fact is a real way is making an idol out the body.
          Women are not to draw attention to their bodies but are to be modest.
          Tattoos draw attention in direct opposite of what the Bible states.

          Like I said the tattoos and rock music bring paganism into the church which follows with drugs and sexual immorality.
          Many living in sexual sin, including homosexuality, are very comfortable in the church because it is now a pagan atmosphere.

          I suggest that you repent of the tattoos and promoting them.

          • me says:

            I never said anything about promoting tattoos in any way. I think that they are filthy and pagan. I have never wanted any kind of tattoo in my life and have never suggested anyone get them. I was only suggesting that not only tattoos are pagan but also shaving as well.

        • Mary E. says:

          My apologies,”me”. I thought you were someone else trying to get a point across, regarding the Laws. Your points are valid,but I agree with John on the tatoos.
          God Bless!

  89. Janine says:

    1 John 3:10-12
    The Imperative of Love
    10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

  90. Janine says:

    Anne & John – CAUTION: HEBREW4CHRISTIANS – A friend of mine said she looked at this website and the blessings and noticed that it is all based on Jewish tradition, including the blessings where the blessings say that they are commanded to light the Sabbath candles. This is definitely Rabbinic Tradition. She said she would steer clear of this teaching as it is based on Rabbinic Judaism and not based on the teachings of God alone!
    Test again for yourself!
    We must all be led by the Spirit! Bless You!

  91. Stephen Blaine says:

    Something to consider. As in the days of Noah. “Nephilim” The world is being bombarded with shows all about super human dna… Xmen, Vampires, Avengers, etc… Mankind in general now wants to become this… When the Anti-Christ comes on the scene and gets killed, Satan then ressurrects in him… He then causes all to take his mark… What if he proclaims this mark will offer you eternal life just like him and you will now be like him just like all these shows… People will line up by the masses… As far as tattoos, it cant be pulled off… Its to hard and takes to long to get this done… Plus who are you gonna have draw them and ink them? This has to be electronic to continue to buy sell and trade and continue the internet… I think your intentions are good and noble and certainly tattoos are of the flesh not of the Spirit… Nice website you have here.. God Bless.

  92. JohnMcTernan says:

    Just repent of it and do not get anymore tattoos.

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